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category national | public consultation / irish social forum | news report author Wednesday April 30, 2003 00:17author by Barry Finnegan - - interim convenor for the dialogue process for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forumauthor email john.finnegan3 at mail dot dcu dot ieauthor phone 01-8741223 Report this post to the editors

Contents of latest email sent to the ISF dialogue elist - go to www.IrishSocialForum.org for more

The following are the minutes (and some other new news) of the 7th Open Space dialogue meeting for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum which took place on April 17th 2003 at The Cultivate Sustainable Living Centre, Essex Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 8.

Hello all,

If this is the first email you have received from the interim convenor for the dialogue process for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum (ISF) it is because:
1. You have forwarded your email or placed your email details on an ISF info list, or,
2. A member of, or sympathiser with your group, feels that your group should get involved with building the Irish Social Forum.

Below are the minutes of the last dialogue meeting and the date, time and place for next. Interest is growing by the day and more and more groups and individuals from different sectors of civil society on the island of Ireland are expressing interest in building the Irish Social Forum. Please find attached an ISF invite and planing letter in RTF format for distribution.

Brief Summary:
We will be having a one day ISF planing event on Sat. May 24th 2003, we will officially launch the ISF on Sat. June 21st 2003, we will be having an ISF around the time of the World Economic Forum competitiveness summit in October and another ISF sometime during the Irish presidency of the EU in 2004. Please see the invite letter and minutes of previous dialogues on our website http://www.IrishSocialForum.org
Please see the end of these minutes for weblinks to more World, European and Irish Social Forum info.

Latest news:
- I found out [ from: http://www.weforum.org/site/homepublic.nsf/Content/Events+subhome ] that the dates for World Economic Forums, European Competitiveness Summit in Dublin are Monday and Tuesday 20th - 21st, October 2003.

- Also the World Social Forum (WSF) now has evaluations and critiques of the Jan. 2003 WSF available at: http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/noticias_01.asp?cd_news=471

all the best,
in solidarity,
Barry Finnegan
- interim convenor for the dialogue process for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum.
phone: 01-8741223 email: john.finnegan3@mail.dcu.ie

=========================

The following are the minutes of the 7th Open Space dialogue meeting for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum which took place on April 17th 2003 at The Cultivate Sustainable Living Centre, Essex Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 8.
Written by Barry Finnegan - interim convenor of the open space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum phone: 01-8741223 email: john.finnegan3@mail.dcu.ie

CONTENTS:
- Next dialogue meeting to build the Irish Social Forum.
- In attendance.
- Unable to attend.
- Latest list of interest expressed by / and-or / interest in participating expressed by.
- Contacting new groups and getting sectors involved.
- Organising for May 24th 2003.
- The June ISF launch.
- Communications and website.
- New interest from around the country.
- Weblinks to invite letter and minutes of previous ISF dialogue meetings, the World Social Forum Charter of Principles and the other things to do with the World and European Social Forums.

NEXT DIALOGUE MEETING TO BUILD THE IRISH SOCIAL FORUM:

The next (which will be the 8th) Open Space Dialogue Meeting For Irish Civil Society To Build Irish Social Forum will take place on Thursday 8th May 2003 at The Cultivate Sustainable Living Centre, Essex Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 8, from 7.30 to 9.30 pm. [ After crossing the Capel Street bridge from north to south, Essex St. West is the first right off Parliament St., walk along there and its on your right hand side, with big plate glass windows opposite a bakery and the shop Does Not Compute.

IN ATTENDANCE:

John Meehan (in individual capacity)
Davie Philip - Feasta; Sustainable Ireland
Adrienne Boyle - (in individual capacity)
Deirdre deBúrca - Green Party; Feasta
Mary Kinane - Comhlámh Trade Group
Conor McLoughlin - Workers Solidarity Movement; Grassroots Gathering
Ciaran Moore - Indymedia
Paul Butler - Nexus Research Co-operative
Gavin Stokes - (in individual capacity)
Ciarán Fogarty - (in individual capacity)
Rory Hearne - Socialist Workers Party; Globalise Resistance
Barry Finnegan - ATTAC (Association for the Taxation of financial Transactions to Aid Citizens)

UNABLE TO ATTEND:

Kate Mortimer - The Wheel
Adam Conway - Gluaiseacht
Geoff Corcoran - (in individual capacity)

LATEST LIST OF INTEREST EXPRESSED BY / AND-OR / INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING EXPRESSED BY:

Conor Flavin - One World Society, UCC.
Dairmuid O Dailaigh - Cork Autonomous Zone
Rosemary Meade - facilitator William Thompson Weekend, Cork
Sally Galiana - NEAR FM
Caroline Maxwell - Action Aid
Eilish Dillon - Development Studies Centre, Kimmage Manor
John Woods - Friends of the Earth (Northern Ireland)
Cllr. Eoin O Broin - Sinn Fein, Belfast City Council
Mike FitzGibbon - The International Famine Centre, University College Cork (UCC)
Carlos Bruen - Equality Studies Centre, Politics Department, University College Dublin (UCD)
Tom Woolley - Centre for Green Building Research, Queens University Belfast
Dr. Matt Cannon - Irish Peace Institute, University of Limerick
Cian O'Callaghan - Labour Youth
Mark Khan - Young European Socialists / Labour Youth
Celia Willoughby - Inner City Travel Club (Stoneybatter, Dublin 7)
Chris O Ralaigh - Ogra Shinn Fein (Sinn Fein Youth).
Ruairi - Donegal Forum
Robert Hanan - European Anti Poverty Network - Ireland
John FitzGibbon - Anti Iraqi Sanctions Group

Minutes:
As usual we all introduced ourselves and said what groups and organisations, if any, we work with, and then created an agenda for the meeting.

CONTACTING NEW GROUPS AND GETTING SECTORS INVOLVED:

It was decided that the wording of the opening paragraph of The Invitation To Join The Open Space Process To Build The Irish Social Forum letter [ available at: http://www.irishsocialforum.org/INVITATION.html ] was inaccessible to some groups and sectors and so it was decided that people can edit the opening paragraph so that the people they are contacting can understand what we are going on about. i.e. we cannot expect everyone to be familiar with terms such as: Neo-liberal, commodification, externalisation. Suggestions included terms such as: cutbacks in public services, bus privatisation for example, health cutbacks.

Mary will contact the various Community Forums throughout the different counties of Ireland and send them the general letter and the May 24th invite. Will also contact a number of anti-racist groups.

Sustainable Ireland Co-Op will be contacting community, development and environment groups for another event during the Convergence Festival called an NGO Forum to discuss sustainability issues and they will include the invite letter for the ISF and the May 24th invite letter in their postings. Davie will also contact the administrator of the Liberty Hall social centre to see if we can use it for the June ISF Launch (see below).

John will contact the Dublin Trades Council with the letter and invite and perhaps they will send it to the different affiliated Trades Councils throughout the country. And see if we can make an announcement from the platform about May 24th at the Trade Unions street event for Mayday on May 1st. And will contact the Teachers Club to see if we can use it for the June ISF Launch (see below).

Deirdre is meeting the Dublin Trades Council, Saturday 26th April, and will discuss it with them too. Will also contact the anti-super dump groups, the anti-incinerator groups (Zero Waste Network) and the anti-mobile phone mast groups.

Adrienne will contact the National Womens Council, Ireland Palestine Solidarity Group, WERC, the Equality Studies Centre at UCD and the Community Development Programme.

Barry will contact the Community Workers Co-Op and find out what feedback they got from the community groups they have contacted so far. Also to check if Friends of the Earth Ireland will be putting ISF info in the next edition of their magazine, Earthwatch.

Rory will contact the group(s) organising for better cancer treatment facilities, groups campaigning against hospital closures and cutbacks. Also the group(s) campaigning against the cutbacks in maternity, midwife and home-birth facilities.

Paul will contact the groups connected to the NGO Peace Alliance. Will also contact the faith based development groups such as the Irish Missionary Union.

ORGANISING FOR MAY 24TH:

We are optimistic that lots of people will come on the day and so as to be prepared for numbers we decided to ask that people confirm their intention to attend, by email to john.finnegan3@mail.dcu.ie or phone at 01-8741223. We agreed that we would send press releases to the various media(s) after the next meeting on May 8th 2003.

We continued the consensus that while this dialogue process is aimed at groups and organisations already active, that individuals who are not part of groups continue to be more than welcome to join in.

We discussed that perhaps we need a big name speaker to draw a crowd for May 24th. It was decided against this because May 24th is for the sectors of Irish civil society to discuss building THEIR Social Forum. We decided that getting a big name speaker would be more appropriate for the launching of the Irish Social Forum this coming June (see below) and to bring this up on May 24th for discussion.

Without dictating the agenda and leaving it open to May 24th participants, some of the things we hope to discuss and perhaps decide on May 24th are:

- What do we want the June launch to be like, who are we trying to reach with it, what is it for.
- What themes do we want at the June ISF Launch and the October Irish Social Forum.
- How do we want to organise the practicalities of the June launch and the October Irish Social Forum - e.g.: do we want a facilitator group with explicit and limited instructions to book halls organise insurance etc etc.
- Obviously there will be people from groups who have read the minutes of the last few months meetings that have not being able attend and they will be coming along on May 24th with lots of ideas and perspectives.

THE JUNE ISF LAUNCH:

It was decided to go for the longest day, the Summer solstice, Saturday June 21st 2003, for the Launch of the Irish Social forum. Davie will look into using Liberty Hall, anyone else with ideas for a venue feel free to check out the details and report back.

COMMUNICATIONS AND WEBSITE:

The website was just up the week of the meeting and it was agreed to maintain the transparency of the process and to continue posting the minutes, letter and invites on the site. Gavin, Ciarán and Ciaran said they would look into organising address@IrishSocialForum.org email addresses so that we can have available from the website for example:
- click here to just receive emails with just minutes, and announcements;
- click here to send and receive emails to discuss May 24th
- click here to send and receive emails to discuss June 21st
- click here to send emails suggesting improvements to the website

Barry apologised for using the cc on the email to send out previous minutes and all agreed that in future they should be sent out using the bcc (so that everyones emails are not spattered across the web for potential use and abuse) to maintain the integrity and privacy of peoples inboxes.

NEW INTERST FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY:

While we have made contact with people in Cork, Limerick, Tuam, Athlone and Mullingar, we regularly agree that we must do more to involve people who live in Northern Ireland and that the ISF is intended as an all island of Ireland - Irish Social Forum. In this regard it was welcomed that people from Friends of the Earth (Northern Ireland) and a Sinn Fein, Belfast City Council councillor have got in touch. Hopefully more will become involved. It was hoped now that we have the two page Get Involved letter and the flyer for May 24th that after the flurry of activity over the next two weeks that more people will be getting involved.

End.
Written by Barry Finnegan - interim convenor of the open space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum.
Contacts: www.IrishSocialForum.org; Phone: 01-8741223; Email: john.finnegan3@mail.dcu.ie

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MINUTES, INVITE AND BEGINNING OF ISF:

Would you like to get involved in the process of building an Irish Social Forum?
Invitation to join the open space process:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/INVITATION.html
=============================
Minutes of the 5th Open Space dialogue meeting for Irish civil society to build an Irish Social Forum which took place on the 21st March 2003:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/minits/MINITS5.html
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Minutes 3rd Open Space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum Sun, Feb 23 2003:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/minits/MINITS3.html
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Minutes 2nd Open Space meeting to discuss the idea of an Irish Social Forum, Sat. Feb. 1st 2003:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/minits/MINITS2.html
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Minutes of 1st Open Space dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum Sat. Dec. 21, 2002:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/MINITS1.html
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Call to First Open Space Dialogue for Irish civil society to build Irish Social Forum for Sat. 21st December, 2002:
http://www.irishsocialforum.org/Call1.html
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WORLD SOCIAL FORUM ORGANISING, PRINCIPLES AND CRITIQUES:

What the World Social Forum is
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.asp?id_menu=19&cd_language=2
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World Social Forum Charter of Principles:
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.asp?id_menu=4&cd_language=2
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Some evaluations (both positive and negative and both) of the World Social Forum January 2003 and an overview of the whole programme:
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/noticias_01.asp?cd_news=471
=============================

WEBSITE OF THE EUROPEAN SOCIAL FORUM:
http://www.2002.fse-esf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=1

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Related Link: http://www.IrishSocialForum.org
author by i hope this is a mistakepublication date Wed Apr 30, 2003 19:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

i have just read through the list of those who took part/apologies/interested and i cannot see the socialist party represented in any of them?

what's going on?

author by A Chancer - SYpublication date Wed Apr 30, 2003 22:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The SP/SY is fully committed to the Social Forum process but it is useless with a a socialist programme. We have taken up petitions in all the working class estates where there is tremendous anger over this question. Only the CWI and its sections has the right answer. But all you can do is lie and scoff. We have full democracy and a socialist programme and are very, very big. Not many people know that!

author by i hope this is a mistakepublication date Thu May 01, 2003 18:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

i just want to know have the socialist party pulled out of the ISF? i ask because on the mainpage feature about the ISF, they are named as one of the participants.

anyone have a real answer?

(it seems to have gotten to the stage now, where if you ask an innocent question, sectarian viriol insantly follows - it really is making this site a pain in the hole)

 
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