OscailtPutting the Corona Virus Numbers in Context<p>The current shutdown of the economy and lockdown of society all around the world is unprecedented and it is very clear that the media are talking up the number and trying to instil panic and fear in the people. This is true not just in Ireland but everywhere else. What all the media reports have in common is that not a single one of them puts the numbers into perspective. All we see are league tables of infections and deaths for this country and others and how it is all going to get worse.</p>
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<strong>Update: </strong><em>The <u>common flu </u>causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and <u>kills up to 650,000</u> people every year, according to the https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year</em>
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Breaking news: Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19. The speech of the Member of Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi in the session of the Italian Camera, Meeting no. 331 of Friday 24, April, 2020. Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.2020-04-09T15:13:48+00:00Indymedia Irelandimc-ireland@lists.indymedia.iehttp://www.indymedia.ie/atomfullposts?story_id=107376http://www.indymedia.ie/graphics/feedlogo.gifLots of deaths counted as Covid 19http://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017622020-04-09T15:13:48+00:00anonA good example is the so called death of the youngest victim from Covid 19 in th...A good example is the so called death of the youngest victim from Covid 19 in the UK except he didnt as apparently he died in 2017.<br />
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Click on the image to see how they just make stuff up.<br />
Heightened curiosityhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017642020-04-12T11:40:04+00:00Gary BoyneI can't help but be curious as to how the virus is being spread if everyone has ...I can't help but be curious as to how the virus is being spread if everyone has been in lockdown and has been social distancing for weeks now. <br />
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Hawkish elements in the mainstream media and in the political class are exploiting this current crisis to prepare public consciousness in the West for a future war with the PRC. Jello Biafra from Dead Kennedy’s on the 2020 Coronavirus Crisishttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017672020-04-13T14:21:16+00:00Pearse MonnetPunk Legend and libertarian philosopher Jello Biafra answers . . . . . .
Is thi...Punk Legend and libertarian philosopher Jello Biafra answers . . . . . . <br />
Is this a pandemic? <br />
How have cuts to public spending affected the response? <br />
How can we be creative with the masks? Easter Monday -death updatehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017682020-04-13T22:26:15+00:00TRTE News is reporting today a total of 31 died. The total is at 365 still only o...RTE News is reporting today a total of 31 died. The total is at 365 still only one third of the flu death body count from a normal year of flu. 2019 was lower than average.<br />
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RTE also report:<br />
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<em>Of the 31 additional deaths announced this evening, 18 were female and 13 were male.<br />
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Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that there were reports of an underlying condition for 25 of the 31 people who died and that the median age was 82.<br />
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80% of people who have been admitted to ICU to be treated for Covid-19 have had an underlying illness.</em><br />
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While death is a terrible thing, it is highly suspicious that 4 billion people along with their economies are in lock down. There is something very big up and it can't be good.<br />
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And this none-sense where people walk around you like you are a leper when outside is ridiculous as even RTE are saying:<br />
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<em>Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person and within two metres of them, to be considered at-risk, or a close contact.</em><br />
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Isn't it funny the way all the emphasis is on following the rules regardless of whether it makes any sense?<br />
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some thoughts on thishttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017692020-04-13T23:55:01+00:00devils advocateInteresting article.
I think you also need however to factor in the reduced dea...Interesting article.<br />
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I think you also need however to factor in the reduced deaths because of<br />
social distancing and reduced activities which often lead to a portion of annual deaths.<br />
Reduced deaths would include road deaths, work accidents, flu (social distancing reduces flu transmission) and other transmissable diseases.<br />
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so, you are left with <br />
expected normal average annual deaths of all kinds <br />
- reduction in deaths due to isolation measures (flu, road accidents, work accidents etc )<br />
+ extra deaths due to social isolation measures (extra suicides and murders of family members and spouses!! :-D ) drug overdoses, and people very sick but reluctant to attend hospital etc.<br />
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We could have the actual figure for deaths for the year in january / feb 2021<br />
only then will we see whether the figure is above the average<br />
and by how much due to coronavirus.<br />
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And then you have this "muddying of the water" question. <br />
If you have a heart condition and covid - 19 brings on heart failure, is that counted as a covid-19 death or a heart failure death? <br />
Personally I'd say that's a covid-19 death, as you might otherwise have lived longer.<br />
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If i whacked that same person over the head with a brick and they died then it would still be considered murder.<br />
I couldn't claim in court that it didn't count as murder because their underlying condition was responsible!<br />
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There IS overlap in the figures. Perhaps this man might have died next month and factored in to the "people with heart condition" <br />
annual death figures. Thus I would have increased the "death by murder" annual figure by 1 and reduced the "death by heart attack" figure by 1<br />
so the average should still be the same.<br />
But I still can't argue this in court can I?<br />
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Of course at the end of the day, there is no getting around the fact that we have way too few beds in ICU to handle a big surge in critical cases.<br />
if quarantining was abandoned altogether then the numbers in ICU spiked and triaging became necessary then deaths due to covid -19 would likely be much higher here.<br />
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So flattening the curve is still a prudent precaution. Whether we like it or not.<br />
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And if we do successfully flatten the curve with these social measures then the death figure may not be as bad <br />
as we are handling the flow of critical cases much better.<br />
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Ironically at the end we will be left with the question "was a mere x deaths worth the economic cost"?<br />
The only reply to that will be "if we didn't do this we would likely have had y deaths in stead of x deaths<br />
so was y-x deaths worth the improved economy"?<br />
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I can't answer this without discussing "the importance of human life vs making money" which is an ideological question.<br />
And a question which this situation has perhaps brought to the fore.<br />
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Perhaps the real interesting issue here is how we structure our societies: as a bunch of ruthless individualist rats grubbing for money<br />
as opposed to organising it as collectivists communally working together to service basic human needs as our priority, <br />
and how such structures adapt to shocks such as epidemics or disasters.<br />
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My own hope is we exit this no longer thinking like selfish rats as we did beforehand!<br />
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The only argument left is the surgehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017702020-04-14T12:09:42+00:00TExactly and the only argument left by the lockdown crowd is that if we had not t...Exactly and the only argument left by the lockdown crowd is that if we had not the surge would have killed more according to their models.<br />
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The problems with this is that all the models at heart have an exponential function to them and that is highly sensitive to the controlling parameters, so a small tweak results in huge differences. That is why the model fluctuate.<br />
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The second thing is whether their assumptions are correct. I doubt it.<br />
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The third is the numbers. They are suspect. There are many more people who have got this, were never tested and got over it but since they are not counted in the statistics it makes the death rate higher. The death figure is one of the numbers plugged into the models. The higher that, the higher the surge.<br />
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So if you say 1,000 were infected and 10 died then that is 1% death rate.<br />
If in fact, it was 2,000 were infected and 10 died then that is half percent (0.5%) death rate.<br />
And if it was 4,000 infected and 10 died we are down to one quarter of a percent. <br />
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Every dead body gets counted, but not every infection.<br />
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There is clear evidence about that doctors have been issued guidance about filling out death certificates and it is heavily slanted towards writing in Covid-19. This would also automatically skew the statistics to give much higher death rates and thereby scare people.<br />
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Even if we accept the potential of some level of surge and that is a very reasonable thing to do, there are still things that could have been done bearing in mind the total cost so far which for Ireland alone is tens of billions. For less money we could have installed mobile type scrubs units for dis-infecting at the entrance of every nursing home where most of the deaths are. We could have issued directives to all people sick with cancer, heart failure and all the rest to isolate and could even have offered to do it the way TB hospitals (sanitariums) were setup years ago where people went off to them to sit out the illness and stop the spread. In the 1950s, over 2000 people were dying of TB and by all accounts that appears to be more infectious.<br />
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Airports could have had similar units to nursing homes where you had to disinfect before boarding, wear a mask, during the flight and same at both ends. But it would still allow it all to work.<br />
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The state could have instructed the same set of people to increase their vitamin C, they could have issued various anti-virals known to work in advance. They are many many more things that could have been done.<br />
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Another thing not done was to carry out tests for Covid-19 by random sampling. This would give a true measure of the infection rate already out there and still retain the testing of focused groups too.<br />
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The approach taken was completely out of proportion to the problem and was not measured in anyway. Given this lockdown was implemented across much of the global largely at the behest of WHO, a body, where you would think national governments hold sway, but it turns out that Bill Gates has provided much of their funding and would therefore have alot of influence. This is the same man who has pushed vaccines all over the world and many injured due to contaminated products and ones not properly tested. We can only conclude there is something very very fishy going on.<br />
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I doubt Michael O'Leary is sitting at home, saying it's fine lads, sure there was no other way and I am happy with my fleet of 300 aircraft grounded for the last month and to continue so till next September or maybe October. He has likely be reassured that he will be bailed out as the price of keeping him onboard.<br />
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The authorities are desperately trying to make out this disease is more infectious and deadly than it really is and the propaganda is relentless.<br />
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I have already had one person tell me 10,000 people have died in Ireland so far. When I pointed out it was only 300 or so, and the 10k was the infection rate, they were surprised and confused. If 10,000 were dead in Ireland alone, then the lockdown would be more appropriate. The same person was convinced many children were dead from Covid 19. The actual fact is possibly just one in the UK, and I am sure if people spent time investigating it, we would discovered the poor child probably had leukemia or something. <br />
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<em>Note to take to those running this show. On the next round of the epidemic next Winter make sure more people die as some of them are getting suspicious.</em><br />
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It is disgraceful that the media blatantly is scaring the life out of people and using emotion to do it. I have heard so many stories about nurses coming home from work and on their way home screaming at young people to break up their group because they were dealing with the dying drowning in the fluid of their own lungs. It is strange the way so many people hear the same story. Again when you probe, it's a friend of a friends who is a nurse. <br />
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Whether true or not, the point is that all the people who die of pneumonia each year from flu are also dying because they are basically drowning in the fluids of their own lungs. Why don't we hear this every year plastered all over the media a 1,000 times every flu season.<br />
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My point is that when the argument can't be won conclusively with the figures the believers are all reciting the intense emotional stories. So even if a handful are true and I have no doubt they are, sad as it is, but yet happens every day anyhow in any normal year, is that an excuse to shutdown the global economy. I don't think so because it hadn't before. The elite (i.e. the sort of people who make up the richest 100 people) in the world have utter contempt for the rest of us. These are the same people that own industries like the military industrial complex that manufacture bombs, bullets, missiles, mines,, grenades, explosives etc and where hundreds of thousands of people die in brutal wars where they supply arms to. And we are supposed to believe they care about us. Why because we live in the West or something?News from the front lines....http://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017712020-04-14T14:39:54+00:00TBritish Hospitals Have Four Times More Empty Beds Than Normal
https://www.anti-e...British Hospitals Have Four Times More Empty Beds Than Normal<br />
<a href=https://www.anti-empire.com/british-hospitals-have-four-times-more-empty-beds-than-normal/ title=https://www.anti-empire.com/british-hospitals-have-four-times-more-empty-beds-than-normal/>https://www.anti-empire.com/british-hospitals-have-four-times-more-empty-beds-than-normal/</a><br />
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Covid Doomsday Cult Said Sweden Would Be Drowning in Bodies. It’s Doing Better Than Lockdown Britain<br />
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China took decisive actionhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017722020-04-20T19:40:59+00:00TsingtaoThe Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime and citizens obey in a militar...The Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime and citizens obey in a military style. Wuhan was swiftly locked down as soon as the coin dropped with the politburo. China seems to have got on top of the job of flattening the curve, after damage to the GDP aspect of the national economy. GDP is not the only way of measuring how an economy functions. African and Latin American countries in low income areas face a horrible rate of widespread death because they do not possess the financial and medical resources that rich developed democratic countries have. Here is how a China online news service is reporting the situation facing Africa's poorest countries:<br />
<a href=https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_7057420 title=https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_7057420>https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_7057420</a>Second wavehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017732020-04-23T13:33:48+00:00TalesinBack to the drawing board
Has anybody noticed how the various media outlets are ...Back to the drawing board<br />
Has anybody noticed how the various media outlets are now pushing the 'second wave' hypothesis just as the pandemic is exposed as being a phantom. Twin nurses from Southampton the latest victims of Covid-19http://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017772020-04-25T11:21:26+00:00anonThese are the headlines everywhere today. So it looks like young people are dyin...These are the headlines everywhere today. So it looks like young people are dying. This is the picture shown on many websites.<br />
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They were only 37 and twins. The impression you getting reading the headlines and looking at the picture is omg it is true it could be one of us.<br />
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It turns out a bit of detective work done by reading just two or three of the articles in full instead of skimming headlines reveals:<br />
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Katy Davis who was a children's nurse at University Hospital in Southampton city centre passed away on Tuesday evening. The 38-year-old did have underlying health problems and had been off work self isolating for some time with her sister Emma- who died last night <br />
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And well yes technically they were nurses but<br />
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Emma Davis had worked at the same hospital as her sister in the colorectal surgery unit for nine years <u>until 2013</u>. <br />
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I see no one mentions what the underlying condition was. Was it cancer? <br />
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The dishonesty in this reporting is astounding and there is a co-ordinated effort to mislead.<br />
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The second photo is the one carried in almost all stories and gives the impression they were healthy one dead and dropped dead the next. The first picture is the most recent one and it shows two people that are definitely not as healthy looking as the first.<br />
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Coronavirus: Government adviser questions science behind two-metre social distancinghttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017782020-04-25T23:08:43+00:00ukThe two-metre social distancing rule for coronavirus was “conjured up out of now...The two-metre social distancing rule for coronavirus was “conjured up out of nowhere”, a government adviser has claimed.<br />
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Nottingham Trent University sociology professor Dingwall told Radio 4's Today: “We cannot sustain [social distancing measures] without causing serious damage to society, to the economy and to the physical and mental health of the population.<br />
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'I think it will be much harder to get compliance with some of the measures that really do not have an evidence base. <br />
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“I mean the two-metre rule was conjured up out of nowhere.<br />
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<a href=https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-social-distancing-lockdown-scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-180826409.html title=https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-social-distancing-lockdown-scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-180826409.html>https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-social-distancing-lockdown-scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-180826409.html</a>Hong Kong Flu killed 80,000 people in UK in 1968-69 seasonhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017822020-05-03T23:05:27+00:00TAn article in the Belfast Telegraph for March 3rd reports that the Hong Kong Flu...An article in the Belfast Telegraph for March 3rd reports that the Hong Kong Flu back in the winter of 1968 / 1969 killed 80,000 people in the UK.<br />
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<blockquote style='padding: 0.5em; background-color: #CCFFCC;'><em>The Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968-69 also began in southern China and led to a similar number of deaths worldwide – though in the UK the number was higher than for Asian flu, totalling around 80,000.<br />
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Was the country locked down then? Did they commit economic suicide, eh no!<br />
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Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19http://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017832020-05-04T11:12:50+00:00anonREPORTED FROM ROME
Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-1...REPORTED FROM ROME<br />
Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19<br />
<a href="https://fromrome.info/2020/04/25/italian-senator-sgarbi-denounces-the-statistical-fraud-on-covid-19/" title="https://fromrome.info/2020/04/25/italian-senator-sgarbi-denounces-the-statistical-fraud-on-covid-19/" >https://fromrome.info/2020/04/25/italian-senator-sgarbi-denounces-the-statistical-fraud-on-covid-19/</a><br />
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The speech of the Member of Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi in the session of the Italian Camera, Meeting no. 331 of Friday 24, April, 2020, regarding the approval of the ‘Cura Italia’ decree.<br />
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Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.<br />
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He says false statistics are being use to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship. He makes his statements on the vigil of April, 25, which celebrates the liberation of Italy by the Allied powers in World War II.<br />
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HIGHLIGHTS:<br />
“… let us be united in liberation against hypocrisy and lies, against falsifications, against the false numbers that are given to terrorize the Italians. The 25,000 dead, as Professor Bassetti said, died of heart attacks, cancer and other diseases…<br />
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…25 thousand Coronavirus people didn’t die in Italy. That’s not true! It’s a way to terrorize the Italians and impose a dictatorship of consent: it’s ridiculous!…”Tony Holohan's ambition is more important than healthhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3017972020-05-25T19:24:34+00:00surpriseSeems like Tony is not the guy he makes himself out to be.
This is from his wik...Seems like Tony is not the guy he makes himself out to be.<br />
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This is from his wikipedia entry. This might be "revised" in wikipedia once it is commonly known<br />
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Holohan had a role in the CervicalCheck cancer scandal. One day after Vicky Phelan publicly criticised CervicalCheck outside the High Court, Holohan advised in an email – dated 26 April 2018 – against any external review of the cancer screening programme, instead asking the Minister for Health Simon Harris to go for a report prepared by Holohan himself. Holohan told Harris the "appropriate way forward" was to "state that you have asked me to provide a report on the matter, including whether further actions or steps are required... I strongly advise that you do not commit to a review of CervicalCheck arising from the recent court case", that to announce a review "could unnecessarily undermine public confidence in CervicalCheck" when, wrote Holohan, there was "no evidence at this stage that there are quality or patient safety concerns with the CervicalCheck programme". Harris ignored Holohan's advice.[13]</em></blockquote><br />
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Ref 13 is <a href="https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/top-medic-advised-against-cervical-check-review-910324.html" title="https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/top-medic-advised-against-cervical-check-review-910324.html" >https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/top-medic-advised-against-cervical-check-review-910324.html</a>Finally age distribution graph of Covid deathshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3018052020-06-22T23:06:30+00:00TThis age distribution graph of Covid deaths has used data supplied by the HSE an...This age distribution graph of Covid deaths has used data supplied by the HSE and is for deaths up to May 30th. It is split out for males and females. The male death flattens because the average age of men in Ireland is 79 and therefore there are less available men to die older than this beyond this age and hence the curve goes flat.<br />
Facts about Covid-19http://www.indymedia.ie/article/107376#comment3018182020-08-07T15:33:33+00:00Crazy CatFrom Swiss Policy Research
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid...From Swiss Policy Research<br />
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<a href="https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3lAFSSeR-2SZbEByBk_p6k046zObfMQlFgXhTP9oLtKRQfzBwn5SCbwrM" title="https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3lAFSSeR-2SZbEByBk_p6k046zObfMQlFgXhTP9oLtKRQfzBwn5SCbwrM" >https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3lAFSSeR-2SZbEByBk_p6k046zObfMQlFgXhTP9oLtKRQfzBwn5SCbwrM</a><br />
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