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"Fuck the EU" - Conclusive proof that the US is meddling in the affairs of a soverign country
US state dept diplomat Nuland "mutt" and Geoff are caught out nicely, in a hacked and leaked phone call.
In what is probably the most brazen feat of brass necked hypocrisy I've ever seen, the mainstream media have tried to make it about how awful the russians are for spying on them. And this after the Snowden revelations!!
"Fuck the EU" they say. But by far the worst thing about this is how they treat this uprising they are stoking with the aid of far right fascist thugs trained by NATO on the Russian border, like it's just some sort of a chess game.
And of course the EU don't care much about the insult because they are all on exactly the same page, as the second part of the transcript clearly illustrates.
Is State dept scumbag Nuland trying to illustrate current US credibility?
US diplomats Nuland "mutt" and Geoff are caught out nicely. "fuck the EU" they say.
But the worst thing is the way they treat this uprising they are helping to foment on the Russian border like a chess game.
Such a blatant double standards. If the Russians went into mexico stirring up revolution, we would have brutal reaction and possibly WWIII
Conclusive proof if you need it that the US routinely meddles in the sovereign affairs of other countries and picks who gets into office is no longer in the realms of conspiracy theory. Just a bald fact
There is a transcript and some discussion here:
I have posted the transcript below for convenience, but the voltairenet.org source link is worth visiting.:
Full transcript of the telephone talk between the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey R. Pyatt (posted on YouTube on Feb 6, 2014):
Victoria Nuland (V.N.): What do you think?
Geoffrey R. Pyatt (G.P.): I think we are in play. The Klitchko piece is obviously the most complicated electron here, especially the announcement of him as Deputy Prime Minister. You have seen my notes on trouble in the marriage right now, so we are trying to get a read really fast where he is on the staff. But I think your argument to him which you’ll need to make, I think that’s the next phone call that you want to set up is exactly the one you made to Yats (Yatsenuk’s nickname). I’m glad you put him on the spot. <…> He fits in this scenario. And I am very glad he said what he said.
V.N.: Good. I don’t think Klitsch (Klitschko’s nickname) should be in the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.
G.P.: Yeah, I mean, I guess… In terms of him not going into the government… I’d just let him stay out and do his political homework. I’m just thinking, in terms of sort of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is gonna be with Tyahnibok and his guys. And, you know, I am sure that is part of what Yanukovych is calculating on all this.
V.N.: I think Yats is the guy. He has economic experience and governing experience. He is the guy. You know, what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnibok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week. You know, I just think if Klitchko gets in, he’s going to be at that level working for Yatsenuk, it’s just not gonna work…
G.P.: Yeah, yeah, I think that’s right. Ok, good. Would you like us to set up a call with him as the next step?
V.N.: My understading from that call that you tell me was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was gonna offer in this context, you know, a «three plus one» conversation or a «three plus two» conversation with you. Is that not how you understood it?
G.P.: No. I think that was what he proposed but I think that knowing the dynamic that’s been with them where Klitchko has been the top dog, he’ll show up for whatever meetings they’ve got and he’s probably talking to his guys at this point. So, I think you reaching out directly to him, helps with the personality management among the three. And it also gives you a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it, before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn’t like it.
V.N.: Ok. Good. I am happy. Why don’t you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.
G.P.: Ok, I will do it. Thanks.
V.N.: I can’t remember if I told you this or if I only told Washington this: when I talked to Jeff Feltman this morning he had a new name for the UN guy – Robert Serry. I wrote you about it this morning.
G.P.: Yeah, I saw that.
V.N.: Ok. He’s gotten now both Serry and Ban ki-Moon to agree that Serry will come on Monday or Tuesday. That would be great I think to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, if you like.......fuck the EU.
G.P.: No, exactly. And I think we’ve got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I am still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych <…> that. In the meantime there is a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I am sure there is a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway, we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep… I think we just want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
V.N.: So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note Sullivan’s come back to me V.F.R., saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta boy and to get the details to stick. So, Biden’s willing.
G.P.: Ok. Great, thanks.
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Transcript of the telephone talk between the Deputy Secretary General EE AS External Service Helga M. Schmid (H.S.) and Jan Tombinsky (J.T.), EU Ambassador to Ukraine (rendering, starting 0:04:13 on the tape):
Helga M. Schmid: Jan, it’s Helga once again. I’d like to tell you one more thing, it’s confidential. The Americans are beating about the bush and saying that our stand is too soft. They believe we should be stronger and apply sanctions. I talked to Cathy (Cathrene Ashton – OR) and she agrees with us on the matter we were discussing last time. We will do it but we must arrange everything in a clever way.
Jan Tombinsky: You know we have other instruments.
H.S.: The journalists are already talking that the EU stand is “too soft”. What you should really know is that we are very angry that the Americans are beating about the bush. Maybe you tell the US Ambassador and draw his attention to the fact that our stand is not soft, we’ve just made a hard-line statement and took a tougher stance… I want you to know that it would be detrimental to our interests if we see in the newspapers that «The European Union does not support freedom». Cathy will not like it.
J.T.: Helga, we do not compete in a race. We should demonstrate that this situation is not a competition in diplomatic toughness. I’ve just heard about the opposition’s new proposal to the president. I’ll write Cathy about it right now.
After you listen to the video, You could do worse than read this other piece on voltaire.net about the portrayal of Russia in the media.
It's an antidote to the current biased coverage on all screens and newspapers in their attempt to undermine the sochi olympics. Pity these so called journalists were not so vigilant about social problems during the London games.
In fact at the time, If you pointed out the ground to air missiles on the roofs in London, they would probably have said: "Aren't they pretty?"
Voltaire.net also has some pictures of NATO trained fascist thugs active in the Maidan protests:
And some proof that some media pictures are cynical fakes:
Now check out the video: (oh...and...altogether everyone "fuck the EU" ;-)
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Another damning leaked call indicates that the same snipers fired on and killed people on both sides of the protest.
US sponsored special forces black ops provocateurs perhaps? Or professionals hired by fascist leaders driving the violence to ignite the protests?
The widespread blatant lies and propaganda in the media including RTE about Ukraine is disgraceful. They give the likes of John Kerry secretary of state of the US free reign to spout ridiculous statements including the one about respecting international law and sovereignity when the US pays no heed to either.
Then there are the claims about the Russia troops invading. There is little or no mention that there is an international treaty in place between Russia and Ukraine valid till 2042 allowing them to have their naval ports and the treaty includes provision for troops and for troops to transfer between these ports.
And while the media presents the US and EU as innocent parties as the above article demonstrates they were up to their necks in this and in fact the very person they wanted in power is now in power -i.e. chosen by them. The media does not mention the neo-Nazi thugs and in fact this was an illegal power grab as the agreement drawn up and signed with the EU was worthless less than 3 hours later. These thugs have no respect for human rights or democracy.
It is quite likely that in this past week and the weeks ahead there will be many people murdered by these thugs in the Ukraine as old scores are settled. There were reports that bands of these people were going around the offices and houses of government officials and seizing documents and handing these over to intelligence agencies from the US, UK and Germany.
William Engdahl has some interesting theories on the snipers in Kiev
Putin mentioned agent provocateurs in his speech to the world press today and the fact that the president insists he did not order snipers to fire on anyone.
This seems to tally with what Engdahl says
If we go back to the F**k you Nuland and Pyatt phone conversation where they are discussing whether Vitali Klitschko, sometimes referred to as “Klitsch” in the recording, should be named the deputy prime minister and seems to assume that Arseniy Yatseniuk, sometimes referred to in the recording as “Yats,” will become prime minister. Since that conversation,Yatseniuk has, indeed, become prime minister.
That is conclusive proof that the US is running the "revolution" from behind the scenes and are quite happy to have Nazis in power too.
In all three countries neo-liberal and fascist elements are trying to overthrow democratically elected governments.
Don't really like the cops but when I see fascists shooting police on the streets of Kiev then I know which side I'm on. Some of the police were shot in cold blood after being captured. Two were unarmed traffic police.
Even though there were negotations going on in the Ukraine with the opposition it is clear the USA & EU didn't like this and they have decide to unleash their army of fascist thugs. The result is over 25 people dead depending on the reports, 8 of whom are policemen which to some extent disproves the propaganda that tries to make out the violence is only in one direction. It is clear it is in both.By ramping up the level or protests and clashes which was always going to inevitably result in deaths, they are generating the excuse to impose sanction which the EU has already called for doing just that. There is a measure of desperation by the USA & EU in their efforts to pull the Ukraine into the European capitalist orbit and it is not fully clear why. What is clear is that they are willing to see a very many people die to carry out their agenda.
From Information Clearing House
Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, "Democratic Institutions"
US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. ” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”
Other goals would include training the fascist thugs and funding for the opposition and protests.
further analysis on the Nuland phone leak and the US use of Fascist thugs in Ukraine: