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category international | anti-war / imperialism | other press author Saturday August 25, 2012 16:24author by pat c Report this post to the editors

The US have turned down a Syrian offer of negotiations. Meanwhile France has joined with the US in threats to impose a No Fly Zone within Syria. Full text at link.

Fighting is intensifying in Syria and throughout the Near East, as US and NATO officials escalate threats against Syria after US President Barack Obama’s statement Monday night that Washington is planning for a US invasion of Syria. US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland dismissed Syrian Deputy Prime Minister Qadri Jamil’s subsequent offer of talks, even though Jamil offered to discuss Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s resignation.

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Yesterday French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian also stated that France was prepared to help enforce a partial no-fly zone in Syria, a measure that would involve shooting down Syrian aircraft in Syrian air space.

The US and its allies are dismissing Assad’s attempts to negotiate and continuing to arm Sunni anti-Assad forces. At the same time, they are cynically pushing for war by stoking fears that chemical weapons could be used by Assad—a possibility described as remote even by Western press sources—or that they could end up in the possession of Al Qaeda elements among the US-backed forces.


Related Link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/syri-a24.shtml
author by JoeMcpublication date Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Felix is Irish . Somebody on another thread pointed out that he may have some mental health issues .

author by fredpublication date Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Under the First Amendment free speech trumps everything else"

felix's knee jerk reference to "The First Amendment" indicates that he is likely a US centric fake zionist astro turfer, more used to commenting on US forums. That's interesting!

especially in light of his anti obama trash talk.

What's his real game??

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You are more than fair. Thank you. I await constructive discussion.

You write:

"I believe all religions should be mocked, Islam cannot be an exception. Religion is not Race therefore those it cannot be racist to just mock religion."

No I do not think Judaism should be mocked. This is because Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years and mockery has been used as a precursor for physical persecution.

It can be mocked of course. Under the First Amendment free speech trumps everything else.

In a situation say in Muslim countries where Christians are being driven out by the Jihad, in those conditions Christianity should not be mocked, but the religion of those who are doing the persecution should be mocked.

So I disagree with you on The First Amendment. There must be no limits to free speech.

Even if something is racist we must defend the right to say it, and be prepared to answer it, but not ban it. These are very big and topical issues.

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by pat cpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 19:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I will repost your long comment as a separate article.

I believe all religions should be mocked, Islam cannot be an exception. Religion is not Race therefore those it cannot be racist to just mock religion.

This film from the trailer looks terrible - from an artistic viewpoint, I'd like to see the full film before I'll say that I would defend it unconditionally. There may be a racist portrayal of Arabs in it. I'd love to see a Life Of Mo' but I doubt if this is it. If its just mocking Islam then I'll defend it.

While Religion is not Race, it is not unknown for racists to use Religion to advance their views. If Racists were attacking a Mosque then I would physically defend it.

But if ex Muslims were attacking a Mosque I'd stand aside.

I predict there will be no riots about this cartoon.
I predict there will be no riots about this cartoon.

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 19:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You write:

Yes Felix I am playing the man not the ball. You say: 'Do you defend the person who made the anti-Islam film? Unconditionally?' Clearly this is not incoherent. I accept this. But it is only one small part of what you wrote

That is good! That is a start in Ireland!

Now do me a favour and point me to where this film is being defended UNCONDITIONALLY.

HOPE IT IS BUT AM NOT SURE THAT IT IS!

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by Independentpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 16:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes Felix I am playing the ball not the man. You say: 'Do you defend the person who made the anti-Islam film? Unconditionally?' Clearly this is not incoherent. I accept this. But it is only one small part of what you wrote. You have a blitz here of semi-related points, crudely expressed, with obvious venom and emotion, as is your wont. You also seem to imagine that your small organisation, the Fourth International is the only true Trotskyist group in the world and that this is important. You once thought the same of the WRP, but never mind. And so it goes - bile, vitueration, unrelated points, intense anger and emotion, and strong obvious resentment of anyone who disagrees with you. None of this is likely to convince a single soul of anything that you say. It might shore up your own sense of conviction, but that is another matter.

In short, I am playing the man here because in their entirety your posts suggest someone who is not the full shilling, who lacks a sense of balance in their life, and needs help. Please do consider it - you have nothing to lose but your sense of certainty.

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You write

" you need medical attention"

Play the ball please. A lot depends. You may be so corrupt you do not see it.

So address the question: Do you defend the person who made the anti-Islam film? Unconditionally?

Only if you are an imbecile would you think that is incoherent.

author by Independentpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Jesus Felix, in all honesty you need medical attention. Please see a psychiatrist for your own good. This is is incoherent and bad tempered ranting. Your long days in the WRP have left a serious mark. Really, sincerely, you need help.

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors



Patc...I took your advice, tried to publish, but the system of Indymedia blocked it with a WARNING! Here it is anyway!

Why is the left silent on murder of Libyan Ambassador
international | rights and freedoms | press release Saturday September 15, 2012 11:35 by Felix Quigley - 4international
Main issue is defence of the right to publish

The issue of the anti-Muslim film and the grizzly torture, rape and murder of Ambassador Stevens is all about the right to freedom of speech, freedom to speak about anything, criticise anything.

Will people on the left, who think of themselves as left, such as on Indymedia Ireland and other groups in Ireland, now defend with everything they have got the maker of the film Nakoula Basseley Nakoula?


So many issues have been packed into this anti-Islam film and the murder of Stevens.

The silence of the left. A writer on Indymedia Ireland (a Patc) told me he didn't have time. But nobody there had time. WSWS which calls itself Trotskyist and shows the famous film on the Russian Revolution, an historical film made by Trotskyists, are clearly sympathetic to the Islamist savages. Betrayal of trotsky by the WSWS. So far Matgamma's group Workers Liberty which had supported the murder of Muammar Gadhafi have said nothing. And little wonder! The left is in crisis and this will finish them.
The left cuts its own throat. The issue is about free speech. The Islam world wants to close down free speech because it is opposed to science, history and modernism. It wants to prevent an examination of what Islam has been historically, thus throwing vital light on what it is today.
The English state of Cameron and Hague is in crisis. They put the savages who murdered Stevens into power. The same savages who had murdered Gadhafi and thousands of black African workers.
NATO is in crisis also, as is the Hague kangaroo Court, which led much of this in the trial of Milosevic, and their support for Jihadist savages in Yugoslavia.
Obama is in very big crisis as is Mrs Clinton, as are John McCain and Joseph Lieberman. If Gadhafi had been in power there would have been no murder on Monday of Stevens or any American diplomat. Can the American people see this?
Because the Media in US and the West is also in crisis. The Media led on the murder of Gadhafi and the overthrow of Mubarak. For the Media world wide Obama could do no wrong.

Obama is a pro-Islam Antisemite

Almost all goes back to the election of Obama and how the Media lied about his background. Obama was a Muslim, according to Pipes until he reached the age of 29. That has all been hidden.

Obama has been and is a tool in the Antisemitic Palestinian Narrative, a pack of lies which accuses the Jews of causing the “Palestinian Refugees”. That is a lie because the Jews and Israel; were just defending themselves from genocide in 1948 and in 1967/1973.

The Vatican is in crisis because Islam is aimed against the Christians as well as the Jews, but Christianity prefers to carry on its Antisemitism against the Jews, rather than confront their common enemy, Islam and Dhimmitude.

The Pope is in crisis in his present visit to the Lebanon. The Pope and his Cardinals are intelligent people, some super intelligent. The Pope preaches in Lebanon a sickly “let all live together in peace”, knowing full well that the nature of Islam makes that impossible. In Regensburg (http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Regensburg_lecture) the Pope spelled this out in a scientific manner, but the hubbub from the Muslims (meaning as always violent threats) was such he retreated from that truth. In Lebanon the Pope on behalf of Christianity acts as a liar of the first order when he suggests all religions are the same.

Finally Romney is in crisis. Romney probably senses by now what he must do to win. He must return to the principles of the (GREAT) American Revolution and lead a crusade against all forms of censorship, so that the great American people can defend uncompromisingly The First Amendment, the sacred values of Free Speech. But he still thinks money and television ads can defeat Obama. But Obama is better at that. Obama is the ultimate deceiver. Only the truth can defeat Obama.

Obama and others are sacrificing The First Amendment. But human civilisation, what we have gained in the past from “Lucy” first stood up, to the present, into the future, indeed if we humans will have a future, depends very much on this struggle in America to defend The First Amendment.

4international is the only true Trotsky movement. We will be in the forefront and we wish to be part of this great movement.

http://4international.me/2012/09/14/the-animals-who-rap...vens/

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Pat c writes

"YOU are the news. Indymedia depends on people to post articles. Why didn't you post one?"

I have my own blog and organisation and I have printed a dozen articles on this. Most of my articles have been about exactly this...the US and EU created this monster, or aided at least, that is aiding the Jihad, as in Kosovo, but then the monster bites them back, especially the role of Obama, Clinton, Cameron iks exposed. I am not Indymedia and will not be. I think your silence is dispicable as is the silence of all those who wrote before on Gadhafi.

What about this film. Do you defend the makers of the film unconditionally?

author by pat cpublication date Fri Sep 14, 2012 18:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank you for your kind words.

YOU are the news. Indymedia depends on people to post articles. Why didn't you post one?

I was busy myself but would more likely have written something on Iran or Syria.

I'm sorry that the ambassador and the other embassy staff died, my condolences to their families and friends.

But as ye sow, so shall ye reap. The US overthrew Gaddafi and allowed a bunch of militias to rule Libya, the parliament has no real power. The same sort of Islamists that the US support in Syria killed the ambassador.

Back in 2006 when Gaddafi was in power, Islamist mobs rioted and tried to attack embassies over the Mo' cartoons. 11 of the rioters were killed, no diplomats were put in danger.

The responsibility for the ambassadors death lies with the US.

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Fri Sep 14, 2012 16:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You miss the point totally and you do so deliberately. Despite having covered the overthrow of Gadhafi (which I fought against) quite a lot on Indymedia there was silence for 4 to 5 days on this. Not a cheep!

You all seem to live in a different world, a world your own brains have made up.

And by the way:

"Felix's site is bonkers. Go there if you need a giggle!!"

You are wrong. We may sometimes get it wrong but we do not hide from reality.

Why do you feel you need to spread lies all the time against the Jews? Do you not know what path you are treading?

And anyway do you defend this film in question, and the right to make this film, and distribute it?

author by LiveByTheSwordpublication date Fri Sep 14, 2012 13:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Stevens supported the fake rebels who murdered Gadaffi.
I guess when you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
And the fleas still have the guns you gave them.

I am sorry for his family, but they never should have gotten involved with somebody up to their neck in the dirty business of US imperialism in other people's countries.

I guess the US government can use some of the gold they stole from Libya to pay a pension to the bereaved family.

Stevens was involved in toppling / destroying someone else's country for the gain of the US. A dirty underhand business which caused the deaths of many thousands of people. He knew the risks.

Setting Al Qaeda fundamentalist nutjobs loose with guns on Libya was always risky, just like it was originally in Afghanistan. And it is now in Syria. You reap what you sow.

Whee! Next stop Israel Felix!! That is If the nuclear armed zionist fundamentalist nutjobs there don't decide to send us all to heaven first!

Again I notice the usual ignoring of the 10 security service libyans who also died in most of the MSM reports.
Brown people's lives don't count as much as rich white ones as usual

plenty of US whining about it all and some pictures here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/u-s-ambassador-li...57387

And it appears the Israelis "have no record" of the zionist filmaker who apparently triggered all of this.

Ironic! Zionist poster Felix is highlighting the death of american diplomatic staff caused by angry nutjob muslims over a film that very possibly was made and circulated by a right wing zionist nutjob.

Felix's site is bonkers. Go there if you need a giggle!!

His ass is probably on fire right now over US "rebukes" to tone down the zionist rhetoric about attacking Iran

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well the heading says it all. Indymedia Ireland rats run for cover into their Sharia loving rat holes. Shameful! If Irish workers and youth want coverage of Obama's crisis on ramifications of murder of Stevens visit www.4international.me
http://4international.me/2012/09/14/the-animals-who-rap...vens/

Related Link: http://4international.me/2012/09/14/the-animals-who-raped-and-killed-stevens-were-put-in-place-by-stevens/
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Sep 05, 2012 17:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

My conclusion is that it is totally extraneous to the current state of play as Israel rattles the sabre and beats the drum for a strike at Iran's non-existent nuclear arsenal.

My research, easily confirmed from official sources, states that non-weaponised Iran is signatory to non-prolifertion treaties, while weaponised Israel is non-compliant and inflicting nuclear terror on its neighbours.

Have you evidence to refute that case??

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Wed Sep 05, 2012 16:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

With that attitude talking to you about this is worse than useless. So come up with your own conclusions and publish them.

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

One dubious site www.discoveringislam.org states he was a british agent...quite incoherent and smacks of the frenetic 'Obama is not American' racist drivel pumped from who know where...

Unconvinced. Whiff of red-herring disinformation off that.
Or maybe I'm with Mossad and trying to divert from your scoop??Whats your theory, felix..the siege of the embassy was a plot to get Reagan elected??Iran is a secret US colony??Israel is a fount of enlightened democracy and must be protected from the CIA machinations?

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Wed Sep 05, 2012 07:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Google "cia, the shah, khomeini"

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Sep 05, 2012 04:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..I know there are factions within the CIA...but you are now telling us that they took down their Shah???

Please explain the convoluted gameplan.

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Tue Sep 04, 2012 17:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

From the time that Khomeini was in Paris and on through the grab for power by the Islamists in 1979 the CIA and British have been promoting Islamic terrorists like Khomeini

This is a good film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYt2rX_p34

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..the UN is complicit in Operation WMD Mk II

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32578

author by feudal castratopublication date Sun Sep 02, 2012 03:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Iran is being protected by Obama"

I think now I've heard it all! ;-D

felix, notice those sanctions stopping people getting vital medicines.
And those big metal things in the straights of Hormus? They are BATTLESHIPS

Obama just wants the elections to go smoothly. Then he will continue with business as usual.

You are a nutjob.

How can a country with no nuclear weapons threaten one with nearly 300??

Ridiculous!!

author by Felix Quigleypublication date Sat Sep 01, 2012 14:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You write above:

"And meanwhile Iran is also under the same imperialist threat and no doubt subject to similar sunni muslim radical terrorist attempts to undermine it as was gadaffi in Libya and Assad in Syria"

You lie! Iran is under no threat from Obama. Iran is being protected by Obama. Obama is holding back Israel from a military strike against Iran.

Meanwhile you support Iranian Fascist Islamist leaders.

author by feudal castratopublication date Fri Aug 31, 2012 03:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

from Felix's link:

"you somethies hear “Oh but Israel has the Bomb so Iran has the same right”. That is Antisemitism right there! The reason Israel got the Nuclear bomb was rooted in the Holocaust and who could begrudge them. The reason Iran wants the Nuclear Bomb is to make effective its threats."

seriously felix, I do agree with you that capitalism has decided to align itself with radical islam and muslim brotherhood to achieve some of it's geopolitical goals but the fact is, Israel has 200+ nukes and Iran has 0 and Israel is the one threatening to attack Iran, not the other way around.

And meanwhile Iran is also under the same imperialist threat and no doubt subject to similar sunni muslim radical terrorist attempts to undermine it as was gadaffi in Libya and Assad in Syria.

Your position is very confused indeed!! Capitalism has aligned with sunni extremism against
Iran amongst others. You oppose this extremism and as a trot you also oppose capitalism, yet you also oppose Iran who is currently under sanctions and existential attack from both of these forces. And clearly your mother state Israel is also acting as a US proxy in the region to help carry out the wishes of capitalism against Iran.

Which are you felix, a zionist , a vassal for capitalism and the US or a trot? you can't easily be all three in this scenario without severe cognitive dissonance!! Your brain must hurt something awful ;-)

author by Felix Quigley - 4internationalpublication date Thu Aug 30, 2012 13:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Remember the betrayal by China and Russian Stalinism that opened the road for the murder of Muammar Gadhafi.

Now this will be just as bad.

From www.debka.com

"Russian naval vessels have unexpectedly departed the Syrian Mediterranean port of Tartus and Russian arms shipments to Syria have been suddenly discontinued. debkafile’s military sources reveal that those and other steps indicate that the Russians are rapidly drawing away from the Syrian arena to avoid getting caught up in the escalating hostilities expected to arise from military intervention by the US, Europe and a number of Arab states. Russian intelligence appears to have decided that this outside intervention is imminent and Moscow looks anxious to keep its distance for now.

According to our military and Russian sources, these drastic steps must have been personally ordered by President Vladimir Putin. He is believed to have acted over the objections of some of his army and naval chiefs. This would explain the mixed statements issuing from Moscow in recent days about the disposition of Russian personnel at the naval base in Tartus and Russian military personnel in Syria."

Related Link: http://www.4international.me
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..in leaps and proxies...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32560

..al CIAda democracy goes viral.

author by leftypublication date Sat Aug 25, 2012 16:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"that they could end up in the possession of Al Qaeda elements among the US-backed forces."

However apparently the US have no problem with every other weapon under the sun being in the possession of AlQaeda, not to mention actually supplying them if it means they topple Assad and further isolate the prize Iran.

Seems they had no problems with all the Libyan weapons falling into their hands either and spreading all over western africa and the rest of the middle east.

And lets not forget they actually SUPPLIED saddam hussein with chemical weapons to use on Iranian civilians.

Imperialist hypocrisy is unbounded!!

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