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AUDIO: Amnesty Lecture 2005: Michael Ignatieff speaks at Trinity College Dublin, Ireland

category dublin | rights, freedoms and repression | feature author Monday January 17, 2005 20:36author by kevin - imc éire Report this post to the editors

Listen to the MP3 recordings of the lecture, and the Q + A session afterwards.

A recording of the 2005 Amnesty Lecture at Trinity College Dublin which took place on Thursday January 13th, is now available for download. The lecture was entitled "American Exceptionalism & Human Rights" and was given by Professor Michael Ignatieff. Lecture MP3 Here. Q&A MP3 Here

A comprehensive biography of Michael Ignatieff is available here.

In this lecture in the Edmund Burke Theatre in Trinity College Dublin, Ignatieff deals with what he terms "American Exceptionalism" and Human Rights in todays world. He talks about the many contradictions that the current US administration operates under. Controversially, he describes the US as both a leader and an outlier of human rights, and talks about this in relation to the US "project" of democracy in the Middle East. He also brings into question the concept of our own neutrality, among many other topics and values that the liberal communties and human rights advocates tried to achieve in the run up to the war in Iraq.

You can download and listen to this lecture. There are two MP3 files to download.

The first audio download is 41 minutes long, and the filesize is 39 Megabytes. This contains the introduction to the talk by Ron Hill, professor of political science at Trinity College Dublin, and then the Amnesty Lecture by Michael Ignatieff.

The second audio download is 29 minutes long, and the filesize is 27 Megabytes. This is an edited recording of the Questions & Answers session afterwards, which was chaired by Olivia O'Leary, a well known Irish radio & TV journalist.

If you would like a CD copy of this lecture, please contact Indymedia Éire.

Download the Lecture by right-clicking (Mac Users Ctrl-Click) here and saving the MP3 to your computer

Download the Questions and Answers session by right-clicking (Mac Users Ctrl-Click) here and saving the MP3 to your computer

Thanks to Amnesty Ireland for facilitating the recording of this lecture. Amnesty Ireland is part of Amnesty International, an international organisation fighting for human rights worldwide. You can find out more information at their website at www.amnesty.ie

Michael Ignatieff with Olivia O'Leary
Michael Ignatieff with Olivia O'Leary

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author by Badmanpublication date Mon Jan 17, 2005 21:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

To my mind he presonifies, more than anybody else, the craven and sycophantic attitude of US intelectuals to the wholescale terrorism of their political masters. He ignores the obvious motivations and naked imperialism of the US state and prefers to obscure all before him in such intellectually empty concepts as "exceptionalism". By enveloping reality in these, apparently subtle and sophisticated nuances, which are in reality just ignoring the obvious, he creates a space that allows the complicit to avoid facing their complicity in crimes.

For example, he appears to believe that the US has a genuine interest in their much promoted 'democratic' project in Iraq, contrary to all the historical and current evidence. He often pontificates on the nature of terrorism, but for some reason decides to define terrorism in such a way that the actions of states are not included. This allows him to generalise and philosophise about the official enemy, without the merest hint of context and renders his thoughts as worthless.

author by fogypublication date Tue Jan 18, 2005 19:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

“To my mind he presonifies, more than anybody else, the craven and sycophantic attitude of US intelectuals to the wholescale terrorism of their political masters.”



Ahem…..except he happens to be Canadian!!!!!

author by Badmanpublication date Tue Jan 18, 2005 20:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Very clever. He also happens to be a professor in Harvard. Where he was born isn't really that important to his role in propagating ideas.

author by ffpublication date Tue Jan 18, 2005 23:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

" Where he was born isn't really that important to his role in propagating idea"


or "expressing his views" as it's known to the civilised world

author by Badmanpublication date Tue Jan 18, 2005 23:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"or "expressing his views" as it's known to the civilised world"

I was actually being quite precise in my language. Intellectual elites, such as Harvard professors, have a function in Western societies which means that when they express themselves in public, they are also actively propagating ideas within society. I was refering to his role in this process.

If somebody else wants to quibble with my contribution, how about actually disagreeing with the content rather than playing the pedantic smart alec.

author by thinkingpublication date Wed Jan 19, 2005 14:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

...but it did get me thinking in a lot of ways.

I know that the US has a history thats based on imperialism & capitalism, and that their previous invasions are based on greed, and Olivia O'Leary takes him up on this in the Q+A session - but crucially it got me asking: how can we stop dictators in remote places oppressing minorities?

Saddam Hussein's regime WAS involved in human rights abuses - how can we stop this happening, practically?

Do we encourage them to take up arms themselves?
Do we sit back and do nothing?
Do we slap economic sanctions on the country?
Do we adopt of a position of neutrality and not get involved?

If the Nazis were persecuting the Jews today, would the antiwar movement object to a US invasion?

I dont have any answers to these questions, just random thoughts.

author by Joepublication date Wed Jan 19, 2005 14:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"how can we stop dictators"

The key question is who is the 'we' in the above question. You can hide a lot of wars behind that 'we' if by it you mean 'me and George Bush'.

In reality 'we' don't get to make such decisions, 'we' are simply given the choice of supporting or opposing those made by Bush, Blair etc.

author by R. Isiblepublication date Wed Jan 19, 2005 17:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

QOUTE: Saddam Hussein's regime WAS involved in human rights abuses - how can we stop this happening, practically?

Well, we could not be selling arms to countries like Indonesia that are human rights abusers. We could not trade with violators of international law that torture and murder civilians: like the USA.

That'd be a small start. It'd be much more practical than anything I've heard Ignatieff propose.

author by Badmanpublication date Thu Jan 20, 2005 02:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

QOUTE: Saddam Hussein's regime WAS involved in human rights abuses - how can we stop this happening, practically?

To add to what my esteemed co-commenteers Joe and R.Isible have said above. Firstly, this question is based on a false assumption, namely that the political power in the US has any interest in getting rid of dictators and stopping human rights abuses. Even the most casual look at the history of US foreign policy shows very clearly that this is not the case. In fact, there is remarkably clear evidence that in the poorer parts of the world they favour dictators who invariably carry out human rights abuses. Look at their actions in Chile, Panama, Iran, Liberia, Haiti, etc, etc....

For a man with the obvious intelligence of somebody like Ignatieff to somehow ignore this glaringly obvious fact is simply beneath contempt. Even in Iraq, all the evidence points towards the fact that they have consistently favoured dictators. They supported Saddam until 1990 and helped to arm him - the period during which he carried out his worst atrocities. In 1991, they neglected to depose him as they couldn't guarantee that whatever replaced him would be amenable to their control. They even expressly gave him permission to quash the two rebellions after the first gulf slaughter by relaxing the restrictions on the no fly zone. Between 1991 and 2002, they openly promoted the idea of a 'palace coup' whereby he would be replaced by a former henchman who would be obedient to them. Their policy was quite open about containing him and they were quite against any forces that might democratise Iraq.

In a hypothetic world where the US did want to institute some sort of genuine democracy in Iraq, one could speculate about many thousands of ways in which they might undermine his dictatorial rule. but that is a question for abstract dreamers.

author by pcpublication date Thu Jan 20, 2005 03:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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Related Link: http://www.amnesty.ie/content/view/full/3453/
author by BPpublication date Fri Jan 21, 2005 21:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well, listening to this asshat was a nauseating trial (but thanks for posting it) - to critique this barrage of rubbish would be a long and dreary task; luckily it has already been comprehensively done by CounterPunch - check the link for an excellent article on this character -- http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann12082003.html

>>excerpt
"Ignatieff cooks up a testosterone-laced stew in which morsels of freedom and human rights are seasoned with crushing violence, enlightened greed, and calculated hypocrisy. His world contains three races: the ballsy Anglo-Saxons; the Western European surrender monkeys; and those hysterically dim-witted, childlike underachievers, the natives. He avoids explicit racism only through studied obtuseness."

This appearance does at least help show us the true colours of what Amnesty International has become; that such a crass purveyor of imperialist 'White Man's Burden' ideology all tarted-up in pitiful 'Humanitarian' garb is carted to Ireland to patronise, upbraid and instruct the Natives in the performance of their duties to the Imperial Master is a pretty effective indication of underlying AI policy/agenda. His basic message, not easy to decode, is really very simple - "On your knees, white Niggers!!"

All the labourious name-dropping and ass-kissing seems to indicate a champange-circuit social outing for the Irish 'great and good' to lap up; obfuscation and flattery combined with some serious stealth indoctrination. This is a dangerous man, but probably quite effective at what he does. The US ruling class is obviously very happy to sponsor such an obsurantist 'kept intellectual' as a spokesman for its interests.

Quo vadis Amnesty International?

author by Austin O'Sullivanpublication date Mon Jan 24, 2005 13:47author email austin at walk dot ieauthor address 1 Long Mile Road, Walkinstown, Dublin 12author phone 4650388Report this post to the editors

America's claim that it's invasion of Iraq was equally based on the arms issue and Human Rights is hard to believe.

America selects the Human Rights issues that bring advantage to itself either politically or economically. What has America done for the 1.5 milion Tibetans murdered by the Chinese since 1959. Has America any plans to invade China and depose that regime?.

America picks its targets and uses Human Rights as its excuse to rape and pillage.

In its own land it murders more of its own citizens than any country in the world. It murders children and people with learning disabilities without discrimination.

author by web'serf'erpublication date Sat Jan 29, 2005 20:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Badman is bang-on.........Well done! You don't have to look very hard to see how complemantary a person like Ignatieff is to a Bush-Blair elitist view of the world. Enjoyed reading your comments, keep up the good work.
http://www.zmag.org/ZNET is a wealth of info.

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