ICTU Call For Non-Payment Of Water charges

by John Fri Jan 05, 2007 00:01

I don't remember the ICTU or any of the main unions calling for a boycott of water charges in the south when they existed and they've been very quite to-date about bin charges. I am a trade unionist and don't like union bashing but it's time a truth was faced on this one.

by Rogue Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:00

John if it hadn't been for grass root activists "Knocking thier collective pans in" ICTU would be doing nothing up here too!! And unfortunately In reality, they would be doing NOTHING as opposed to the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM that they are doing now!!!
As for the Unions in the ICTU context, only NIPSA is showing any sort of worthwhile support for the campaign. This once again achieved through the persistence of the grass root activists on the left of the Union over two Union conferences to align NIPSA to this worthy campain.
I don't like union bashing either, but sometimes you have to call it as it is.

by Hugh Murphy - Sacked by my union ex Belfast Docker Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:31

John,

The reason ICTU didn't campaign against Bin Charges is because that would put them in direct opposition to their partners.

The fact that Northern Ireland Committee has called for non payment of water charges - means, that some members of that committee can think for themselves and are not toeing the party - ie collaboration line.

I'm quite sure that the wires will be humming between Parnell Square and Downing Street asking for something to be given to get them off the hook.

The anti worker and anti working class ICTU down here in Dublin know this could be the thin end of the wedge. If the NIC have started acting independently of them - as seems to be the case here - where will it end?

Their next target could be the ICTU in Dublin.

They might even call for a non-payment of union dues until the Trade Union Movement represents the trade union movement - or... call for an internal investigation into why the ICTU took no action against the corrupt ITGWU.

Or... HORROR of HORRORS, they might even demand that the working class get to run the unions they belong to.

I think, before thing get this far, the NIC will be made toe the collaborationist line. If not then more direct action on behalf of the bureaucrats in ICTU will be needed; of the kind which saw the great JIM LARKIN expelled from the union he founded and loved.

James Connolly said: "The cause of labour is the cause of Ireland, and the cause of Ireland is the cause of labour". He recognised the strength and potential of the working class, consisting of Catholic, Protastant and dissenter. He assumed wrongly, that Labour would always be led by men of vision and of the WORKING CLASS.

Will the ICTU in the North... free the workers in the South...?

by In preparation Fri Jan 05, 2007 21:05

Photos from the Southern campaign in 1990s

Joe Higgins flanked by members of the SP and WSM

Working Class Solidarity --> Victory

Picket at Tallagt Co. Council

First Court Picket

by vincent Iscariot Mon Jan 08, 2007 19:14

Why have the WSM posted this info? They are the group who could not continue to oppose the bin tax but are now talking about opposition to water rates. please....give us some credit!

ps...I know this will be deleted because you cannot defend your position.

by Mick Butler Mon Jan 08, 2007 22:11

Thanks for that info Alan. No doubt there is charges lined up for the water pipelines down south AFTER the election, just as they done when they jailed a TD and many good citizens in 2003 re the bin tax. All of this and be it noted, not a body in jail for corruption !
Much gratitude is due to shop stewards and TU committee reps for forcing the hand of ICTU on this issue, make no mistake about it the organised trade union is the locomotive that pulls the train, and it is not always an easy place to be, especially when "partnership" is the buzzword and the TU bureaucracy do at times plot and go after their own activists for "rocking the boat" of partnership, it is a pernicious influence and again fair play to those who have achieved this. Now lets see a spirited response from ICTU down here.

by Mick Butler Mon Jan 08, 2007 22:12

Thanks for that info Alan. No doubt there is charges lined up for the water pipelines down south AFTER the election, just as they done when they jailed a TD and many good citizens in 2003 re the bin tax. All of this and be it noted, not a body in jail for corruption !
Much gratitude is due to shop stewards and TU committee reps for forcing the hand of ICTU on this issue, make no mistake about it the organised trade union is the locomotive that pulls the train, and it is not always an easy place to be, especially when "partnership" is the buzzword and the TU bureaucracy do at times plot and go after their own activists for "rocking the boat" of partnership, it is a pernicious influence and again fair play to those who have achieved this. Now lets see a spirited response from ICTU down here.

by ............. - we won't pay campaign Mon Jan 22, 2007 22:10 wewontpay at btconnect dot com 02890311778

The government can will be forced to scrap the water charges if a campaign of mass non-payment is built in every local community. The government intends to privatise our water service and needs a seperate water charge in order to do so. But if people refuse to pay, then no private company will want to take over the service, leaving the government with no choice but to abandon charges.

As part of the campaign the We Won't Pay Campaign is organising a march against water charges 1.00pm Saturday 31 March, assembly at the Art College, York Street Belfast.

join the demo!

by Ian Thu Jan 25, 2007 00:15

Yes, what a good idea. End double taxation. End any sort of incentive to use water conservatively. I agree that people should get water free, but only to a certain point. Anything else fails to discourage people from using up excessive amounts of water.

by Y Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:15

Ian

People in Northern Ireland have always payed for water. They pay through the rates. The water charges are a second charge which will go to private sector companys.

The most significant water loss in the water system are leaks, this problem is caused by a generation of under investment by the government, over the years money earmarked from the block grant was diverted to other issue.

by Frankdan Thu Jan 25, 2007 14:31

I understand Ian's frustration, but one point that has never been raised in threads like this is that the tax payer in the North contributed to the improvements that were made to water services in Britain that were then privatised under Thatcher.
The water service in the North was never updated.
In other words, money from the North was used to update water services in Britain, then people in the North are brow-beaten for having an under-resourced service and we're told that we'll have to pay for the upgrade.
Double tax indeed!

by too poor to live Fri Jan 26, 2007 22:25

Don't pay water charges. It will cost the government more to put those who don't pay in prison.

According to John Reid it costs initially £100,000 to put a person in prison, and £40,000 to keep them in prison, making it more economically viable to not bother criminalising people whose only crime is being too poor to pay water charges.

The water system has been managed very well in the past without having to pay water charges. We are will paying for the beurocracy needed to privatise our water system, money will be not be going into the public purse, but into the private coffers of already rich company executives.

Those who are in charge of public bodies/civil service heads ie Housing executive/DHSS are also chief executives/directors in private companies, whom these public bodies contract out their work to.

People such as Briege Gadd, who was once head of the DHSS, owns various private companies and now sits on the board of the NSPCC, the head of the Prison service is now running Barnados? Northern ireland seems to be a quango for the rich, where same well to do people swap round all the top jobs, sitting on the board of various public bodies, and numerous private companies at the same time, getting paid £60,000 a year, for their public service roles, and simultaneously another £80,000 for their roles in private companies.

The poorest in our society such as pensioners, the unemployed and single parents, are already living hand to mouth, water charges will tip the most vunerable in our society into dire poverty and hardship.

by don't pay - Non payment campaign Mon Feb 26, 2007 09:05

The website of the trade Union Non-payment campaign can be found at:

www.waterchargesnonpayment.com

Protest at Crystal Alliance

by erin go bragh - nipsa Mon Mar 05, 2007 13:00

ICTU call for non-payment, as does NIPSA......just looking at the picture of the last protest at Crystal Alliance and notice that one of those saying DONT PAY was the same right wing hack who got up to oppose TFC movers and speakers for a non-payment of water charges motion...............shame on ye right wing!!!!