Ógra Shinn Féin complete successful mobilisation to the Basque Country

by Celtic Connection Fri Oct 05, 2007 05:04

Yes ok, BUT, you 'christians' are off centre as a result of your religion, and that is a real turn off as regards western type 'tribal' campaigns. You just never really get it. For example on this goddess aspect thing, where are you Irish republicans regarding this 'situation':

http://www.tarapixie.net/index.html

This 'power place' would be central to any non western (i.e. real) tribal sovereignty/independance campaign - but for you 'christian' headcases - all we hear is blar blar political games. Seriously guys it is absolutely mind numbingly boring the way you are/operate etc.

You're a worthless bunch of wasters.

by anti-greenie Thu Oct 04, 2007 23:20

Segi hasn't been called Segi in years, the were called Jarai who were also illegalised, so it always strikes me as off that OSF refer to them that way. Asier Tapia Zulaika was a former leader of Segi who has been on the run since 2005, he was arrested on a French road the 2nd of October & is to be extradited to Spain.

Joseba Alvarez filled the gap left when Arnaldo Otegi began is prison sentance earlier this year as acting leader of Batasuna, he was arrested along with Oihana Agirre on orders of Garzon the 2nd of October too.

Basque tv reported yesterday that an Irish governmental delegation would go to the Basque where the lehandakari (taoiseach) is preparing a consultation (referendum) on self-determination which gets right up the Spanish nose, and considering the Garzon order to detain 22 members of Batasuna's front bench or highest positions tonight, seems just about the most radical thing happening.

you might consider that news. you might even offer an analysis or step by step guide should you think your thoughts would be useful.

by Tic Tac Thu Oct 04, 2007 22:04

Ciara surely you mean similar to SF who are similar to the SDLP?

by Ciara - Longford Thu Oct 04, 2007 15:24

Very interesting report from the trip, read a bit more on the situation, its very complex conflict, no right wing faction like the loyalists, just the government. And the PNV, similar to the SDLP are very prominent.

Anyway enjoyed the read, keep up the solidarity with a worthwhile cause.

Solidarity.

by Gemma McKenna Thu Oct 04, 2007 14:07

These topics are completely of topic.

I think its great to see the Basque and Irish Youth united in solidarity.

Pity about the venomous attacks by the cynics.

Beir Bua Ogra!

by bobbydylan - none Wed Oct 03, 2007 21:31

i live in south armagh, heartland of the RM, in my particular town there is nightly anti social behaviour and drug dealing. the RM and the cops are well aware of what is going on, but both are sitting back and letting it happen. the cops dont care cause it is a nationalist town. my question is... how have SF put manners on the cops? they Havent.

the people of this town returned a sf mla, yet i have not seen him since his election, come to think of it, i have not seen the MP Conor Murphy either. that is nearly four years! really they dont give a shit what goes on here. but come to this election if Brown calls it, SF will expect its members to be out canvasing, but party have done bugger all since the last time.

could some one please outline the difference between SF now and the SDLP. i am aware that OSF are more radical and were anti the motion at the sf policing ard fhies, but in reality, i know senior sf members smile when they go round talking about che guevara.

SF have went lost thier radical edge, they feed this bullshit to the people, and thier members that they wil be rthe adical voice in councils, stormont, or policing boards. but in reality they are as soft as the SDLP ever where.

SF could win back alot of the support they have lost in this town if they grew a set of balls. no need to go back to war, or get guns or anything, but just stand up more and say when things are wrong. and if the elected reps where seen in the places that elected them.

by B Murphy Wed Oct 03, 2007 19:34

So, Alex by working for a United Ireland you mean, sitting in a 6 County Puppet Government, running this part of Ireland in a way acceptable to the British. Remaining silent while they fortify their position in this part of the country by building the Headquarters of their intelligence services here.
Where is the hard graft in being subservient and calling for your people to support a Police force still unanswerable for their crimes of the past supporting a judicial system that is wholly British and more concerned with handing out heavy sentences to Republicans while allowing Hoods and Loyalist drug dealers, as happened recently, to go scott free?
What I ask you Alex has changed since the black hacks paraded down the Falls in 94.
The Scum have replaced the Brits in terrorising our people.

What have you I done for Ireland?

I rotted in prison, saw good friends die, while certain people negotiated with the Brits behind our backs and without the knowledge of most of the Republican Movement.

by Alex activism Wed Oct 03, 2007 18:58

Yeah Barry lets all sit back log onto indymedia anxwait for unity, i seen Hard talk and Gerry meant what he said in the context of lets not get complacent, we can't wait for a united Ireland (like 32CSm) we must be active and work for it, affect change and popularise the Republican struggle, through actual community based activism - Hrad grafting (which you's don't quite grasp) is necessary for Victory.

Tell me Barry, what has you or your organisation done for:

a. Ireland

b. Basque Country

Because the RM are actively pursuing struggle in both.

by B Murphy Wed Oct 03, 2007 18:47

Alex I notice that you conveniently avoided my question about Adams comment on Hard Talk that Unification is not inevitable. Do you agree with him?
If he is correct then what was the war all about? Was it merely about the growth of Sinn Fein as a replacement for the SDLP?
What would the Basques say if one of their leaders made a similar comment about Freedom not being inevitable?

I await answers, Alex.

by KD Wed Oct 03, 2007 17:48

But I continue to marvel at Sinn Fein claims to be out on the Streets challenging anti-socials. Where and what are you doing?
Engaging with the PSNI who are putting them back on the Streets? What are you doing to ensure that they pay for their crimes?
What are you doing in Belfast?
What are you doing in Derry? A few examples will do.

When are Sinn Fein going to put manners in the PSNI?
20 or 30 years ago we had to suffer at the hands of the Brits, the RUC and State controlled Loyalist killers.
The Brits have stepped into the background to keep watch on us from the new MI5 Headquarters in Holywood, while Sinn Fein now engages with their Police Force about hoods which they control in the first place.

The Basques like ourselves desire freedom but won't achieve it by taking the path of Sinn Fein.

by Alex Activism Wed Oct 03, 2007 16:48

The RM are out challenging Anti Socials, Drug Dealers etc and ave been consistently, but then the RM should never have been a police service which is why they are now critically engaging with the PSNi and Guards to provide a proper service that should part deal with anti social problem.

The other part of anti - social problem is a community response, and who here can claim to be doing more on community engagement and empowerment than SF.

To say that people are no better of than 20 - 30 years ago is rubbish, ok things are far from perfect, there is along way to go, but your living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that things haven't improved.

Republicans, especially young republicans are interested and motivated by activism, and KD, and all you other people seem to spend more time on here than doing anything productive, please list me the last productive your organisation did for:

a. the basque Country

b. Ireland

I await answers.

by KD Wed Oct 03, 2007 14:29

Asier you may have noticed that Ogra are incapable of coming out and defending the actions of their parent party, except maybe to accuse people of sniping from the sidelines. There have been numerous valid points made on this thread, but Ogra have been unable to answer one of them.

by Asier Wed Oct 03, 2007 09:46

Ok, KD,the basque don´t suport the spanish police and the spanish judicial sistem,this is a video of the spanish police in Donosti(Euskal Herria) 2 octuber 2007:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/10/02/videos/1191348....html

by B Murphy Tue Oct 02, 2007 17:44

What about demonstrating meaningful solidarity with your own people instead of pretending to the Basques that you are still active in a struggle, which your parent party has long given up on?
Did none of you see Adams' performance on BBC's Hard Talk, when he said, quote;
"UNIFICATION IS NOT INEVITABLE"
That coupled with the fact that MI5 are building their headquarters in Holywood without so much as an utterance from Sinn Fein makes a lie of everything he has said since the days of victory parades down the Falls in 1994.
Paisley made them get rid of their long rifles and their armalites Joe so stop fooling yourselves.

by Joe Tue Oct 02, 2007 17:07

Good to see young irish republicans demonstrating meaningful solidarity with our Basque Brothers and Sisters,

And i think the reference to long rifles is people sitting in the twenty six counties talking about a struggle lol

Victory to the Basque People!

by KD Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:49

Asier, the Northern Irish people are no better off today than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Instead of the Brits terrorising our communities it is drug dealers, hoods and anti-social elements all allowed to continue without fear of prosecution by the state police force which now has the backing of Sinn Fein.
Not once, despite their claims to put manners in the state police force, have Sinn Fein demanded action from the floor of the 6 County Parliament nor questioned the inability of that force to bring those scum to justice.
Why? Because they want the people crying out for that police force to be introduced into our communities thus justifying their support for it.
One question Asier, would the Basques ever contemplate supporting the Spanish Police or Judicial system?

by Asier Tue Oct 02, 2007 01:10

Yes KD I don´t forgotten than in Ireland are Republican prisioners today,and that SF has resigned to many values, but I continue considering the ÓSF people as fight comrades(and oviously Republican SF,and other Republican parties). In my trips to belfast they have treated to me very well and she will not forget that.

by bobbydylan - none Mon Oct 01, 2007 23:12

Long Rifles abu??? what that all about. Are those the rifles that were decommissioned at the bequest of the Unionists and British? i am not to proud to sell papers, but not when i is increasingly full of nonsense. I am sick of people in Sinn Fein yapping that not enough women are in struggle, or that they are the party of the working class.

well what is minister Ruane doing? she is presiding over a decision to cut the wages of working class, mainly women, classroom assistants. Next year we wil have minister Murphy introduce water charges.

how does a little radical friends in Ogra explain why the SF MLA all agreed with the private financing part of the Workplan 2010 that deals with the NI civil service. And yes i get Republican News every week and still SF proclaim to be a socialist party in it. while their actions in Stormont make a lie of this.

Yet SF leadership feed thier members on a constant diet of Commemorations and ticket sales. Being in SF is one long slog of ticket sales while being encouraged not to question the actions of our MLA.s

by Grey Stones Mon Oct 01, 2007 22:27

I think its a case of the Basque seperatist movement knowing what side their breads buttered on.
ETA made their feelings quite clear on how to deal with its own members who advocate Sinn Fein style peace processes, still and all the Provos can do alot more for them than other Irish republican groups.
Seeing OSF worshiping the basques makes me sick.

by Keep er lit! Mon Oct 01, 2007 21:30

The true Basque activists involved in struggle are in active solidarity with the true revolutionary activists in Ireland.

We remain active and continue forward while others sit on their hands and snipe from the sidelines.

Gora Sinn Féin/Batasuna!

Gora Ógra Shinn Féin/Segi!

Forward to Victory!

Jo ta ke!

by KD Mon Oct 01, 2007 20:21

Don't SEGI realise that Ogra's adult party Sinn Fein have joined with those who continue to partition Ireland and are eager participants in an institution, Stormont which many brave Volunteers died to abolish? They are now openly supportive of a Police Force and judicial system which still incarcerates Republicans. I bet that Ogra didn't tell you that?

by Asier Mon Oct 01, 2007 20:05

Thanks to the irish people and Ógra Shinn Féin for the solidarity with the Basque country.

Dhá chine aon croimhlint / bi herri borroka bat!!!!!

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