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category international | eu | opinion/analysis author Tuesday July 28, 2009 19:29author by Ronoc Report this post to the editors

The 2nd referendum on the lisbon treaty will be held shortly because we voted wrong the first time and the political elite of Europe are not happy with us Irish.

“They are bloody fools,” “They have been stuffing their faces at Europe’s expense for years and now they dump us in the s***.” Nicolas Sarkozy told aides, according to le Canard Enchaîné weekly after the No vote - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/arti...6.ece .
And this comes from the man who spends £600 pounds a day of tax payers money for flowers for his Palace - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/arti...7.ece

So why would Ireland want to give more power to Europe by voting YES when there is people like this in Power?? Ireland is corrupt enough as it is!

We have been given alot of money from the EU but official EU statistics indicate that, year on year off, Ireland has consistently been one of the biggest net financial contributors to Europe as a result of fish supply.

By voting YES Ireland will loose power and larger countrys will gain power.

Where is the democrasy? France and Holland voted NO so they change the name from EU Contitution into the Lisbon Treaty and now nobody in Europe besides the Irish get to vote and we did but we voted wrong so we must vote again untill we vote the way they want.

Who can understand this treaty? Sure Cowen even admitted he couldnt understand it but he still wants us to vote YES. Thats like someone offering you a swig out of a bottle and you ask "whats in it" and they say "I dont know?, I havent tried it but its good for you! go on take a swig!", for all you know it could be poisen.
Why do people care if we get to keep or loose our commisioner? "It should be noted however that although Commissioners are allocated between member-states they do not represent their states; instead they are to act in European interests. Normally a member-state will nominate someone of the same political party as that which forms the government of the day." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commissioner

And what about these legal garauntees we now have?? For them to be legally binding would they note have to be writen into the treaty and then the treaty would have to be re-ratified by all member states again? - http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/snojkfeymh/

Oh and the YES camp is cranking up the propaganda machine once again telling us its bad for us to vote NO, its not good for the Economy. The economy is in the shite either way as is most economys, Ireland just a little worse off. Giving more power to a corrupt Europe is going to help us...

There is many more points here but I'll have to post them later... Please add links and more information to inform the people as good as possible...

Caption: Corruption

Caption: Joe Higgins addresses the EU Parliment

author by Philip Kirwanpublication date Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:17author email PhilKirwan at itnet dot ieauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

How six nations can control europe
In the coming months we will be bombarded with sound bites, post cards and news bulletins about the upcoming treaty. This peice challeneges the irish public to be critical about the vote be it a yes or no. In failing to do so we could be comitting ourselves to a europe we never wanted. Why for example would they push it a second time?
-The Lisbon Treaty
-Analysis of the legislation
-Debate and disscussion

PDF Document The Lisbon agenda 0.02 Mb

Related Link: http://www.robert-schuman.org/doc/divers/lisbonne/en/10fiches.pdf
author by Ronocpublication date Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Democrasy denied!

All you have to do is look at how they are trying to push this treaty on the people of Europe and you see how undemocratic it is. France and Holland voted NO to the EU Constitution so they change the name to a Treaty and then Ireland voted No to this and then they want us to vote again because they where not happy with the result. They wont put this treaty to the people because they know it will be rejected.

The political elite of Europe seem to know whats better for us than we do ourselves.

What good will a YES vote bring? The only thing the YES side seem to be saying is that it will be good for the economy.

author by Cograpublication date Sat Aug 01, 2009 14:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If you don't know say no. Simple as that!

author by Ionapublication date Sat Aug 01, 2009 14:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Major doubts and concerns have been raised regarding the legality -- on Constitutional grounds relating to Article 6.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann -- of holding a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, and these doubts and concerns have just recently been related to a number of senior lawyers and politicians using the e-mail at: http://www.humanrightsireland.com/DrAnneJeffers/29July2...l.htm .

Don't be fooled by those who might try to tell you that you have to be a lawyer to properly understand Article 6.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann.

It needs to be kept in mind that constitutions, the better ones that is (which, although not perfect by any means perhaps, would definitely include Bunreacht na hEireann in my view), are very deliberately written so that people who are not lawyers can easily understand them, or at least get the gist of them in a significantly usable way.

There is a very good reason for this, and it has to do with enabling all citizens who are not lawyers to check things out whenever they think they might "smell a rat" somewhere, and when all they know for sure initially is that something their government is doing "feels" vaguely wrong in some way. Often, a quick look through a good quality constitution at this kind of early stage will help such citizens to quickly and accurately identify what the problem is: and, having found it, to confidently and SAFELY start raising the alarm (publicly if necessary), for the purpose of nipping wrongdoing (by public servants) in the bud.

"A stitch in time saves nine."

It is also perhaps worth keeping in mind the old rule-of-thumb which says that "if something look like an elephant, sounds like an elephant, and moves like an elephant, then it probably is an elephant".

Similarly with unconstitutional legislation, unconstitutional decisions, associated actions, and so on.

author by Ronocpublication date Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Among the speakers addressing the topic of Lisbon II, a blunt assessment came from Fine Gael’s director of organisation, Frank Flannery.

"Ireland has had one serious attempt at committing suicide on this issue," "Happily, we survived... and we are back for another go. If we do it again, we probable deserve everything bad that ever happens to us." Frank Flannery

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/rejecting-lisbon-will-lo...NJVOo

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