How are we to handle police intelligence with care?

by iosaf = O As If Tue Oct 27, 2009 19:52

In a back feature article of 2007 we may read about the launch of the Garda Siochana Ombudsman. This office was created against the backdrop of serious and as yet unsatisfactorily resolved accusations of brutality and negligence not to matter victimisation of individuals in Garda custody.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82457
Let us not forget some of those cases ended in death.

The Garda Siochana Ombudsman office was of course set up under the tenure of big swinging Mickey Mc Dowell in the ministry of Justice. A job which many of us remember him for more than his brief stint as leader of the Progressive Democrats or even his cack-handed supervision of the judiciary.

In my honest opinion for younger readers that's the long version of the email IMHO
Michael Mc Dowell was an excellent example of what can go wrong with our current Irish set-up which counts on no named, accountable or transparent head of intelligence services. Mc Dowell alluded to and held forth on many ocassions in both the Dail and press conferences on matters which ought have been sub rosa . There was no proper, accountable and transparent means to verify his politically opportune assertions that the IRA counted on 1,000 members, that the St Patrick's Cathedral migrant protesters and hungerstrikers included members of the Taliban.

Just as there was no mechanism through committee oversight and review to publically pose the thorny question why had he not offered a proper explanation for the "Love Ulster" riots which occured it would seem at his invitation or even pricklier why he or the Garda Siochana had not afforded security or surveillance to former SF leading member and former MI5 spy / asset Jeffry Donaldson.

oh yes.

sin é.

As I wrote at the time, Mc Dowell as Hain knew full well who killed Cock Robin & since Hain informed Adams before Mc Dowell was supposed to know - it would seem big swinging Mickey Mc Dowell had a part in his death.

.:. scelere velandum est scelus .:.

as Seneca the roman satirist put it, " a crime hides the crime" & like he knew -
He lived to see enough of them.

by protester Tue Oct 27, 2009 20:54

It's important to highlight the unreasonable nature of garda surveillance of legitimate protesters. There needs to be more transparency as you say. Speaking of transparency, I definitely prefer it when you write articles clearly like this! :-)

by old hand Wed Oct 28, 2009 15:32

I posted this paragraph below on an other thread, but i now want to expand this and go into more serious matters. Young people, who are attending demos and protests are being singled out, for server intimidation and humiliation by these "Special Branch" boys and girls. Now what they do is, they follow them usually if they are on their own, ask them their names and addresses, dates of birth, what school they go to and if they have a job. They then proceed to search them, some times asking the to speared eagle up against the nearest car where they go threw their pockets. This is done under the mis use of the drugs act. They names and addresses are taking under the offences against the State act. all of this activity, is a complete abuse of their powers. It is also to discourage young people from becoming political activists.

On Monday the 12/10/09 a demo was held outside of the U.S. embassy, as it was been set up, a scruffy looking guy came out of the embassy took out his ID that showed he was in the Gardai, he then said he was going to be taking the names of all the people that would come to the demo. A video phone was produced and he was asked to repeat what he said, he then changed his ground and said he would be taking the names of the organizers only. The organizers had told the Gardai two weeks before hand of what they would be doing, they had been talking to a uniform Sergeant for half an hour or more before this guy came to inter fear. He went away from the camera asked an other man for his name and date of birth, he had on right to ask for any of them. In the end three, T.D.s the General Secretary of one of the biggest Trade Unions,and a member of the national executive of the I.C.T.U. plus many other full time trade union officials and members form S.I.P.T U. and other unions, were there. There were also many ordinary law abiding citizens there, all the time we were there, this guy and six others, who came later, were taking photos and writing down every thing that was on the banners, why? There was no need for them to be there, why were the security services of the state monitoring three T.D.s (including a FF TD) and what did it cost?

As you can see from the statements above, no one is safe from the activates of these people, they have now been giving an increase in their funding to help them with their work, at a time when everyone else is enduring cut backs. There is a need for a monitoring group, made up of trade unions, the churches, community groups and politicians to monitor their behavior and insure the right to protest and civil liberties are maintained. The situation is getting worse by the day.

by IamSam Wed Oct 28, 2009 19:09

Does no one here see the double standards of complaining about intelligence gathering by An Garda Siochana and then printing the names, stations, addresses and pictures of Gardai?

Sure if your going to complain that obtaining pictures and information about people is unfair shouldnt you refrain from doing it?

by iosaf Wed Oct 28, 2009 19:30

There are no double standards "IamSam".

Gardai are supposed to work as professionals within a code and standard which I have pointed out is not accountable or transparent. We have not nor do we publish details or photos of Gardaí when they are not on duty & arguably the collation of such information would be considered a subversive act.

Citizens of a liberal democracy such as the Irish are entitled to participate anonymously in the core political process of state (franchise) & their right to assembly, speech and opinion are guaranteed by both the ratification of the Universal declaration of human rights and the European charter of human rights.

Furthermore all Irish and citizens of the EU states are constitutionally guaranteed the right to presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

There has been no move on the part of the Irish security services, police body or ministry of Justice to satisfactorily explain the criteria for these databases, the mechanisms of information exchange with third parties (be they other states or corporate entities in the private sector) nor any indication of how long such data is kept nor how citizens without any criminal conviction or even those without reasonable cause of suspicion to be engaged in subversive activity as understood by the definition of proscribed organisations - may access their details and remove them.

In many other EU states that is simple right. We call it protection of personal data. A photo of police agent on duty in either uniform or plain clothes does not constitute personal data.

by mishkin Wed Oct 28, 2009 22:30

Here are lots of pictures and videos of police using FitWatch (look it up) tactics, and one charming member of Special Branch who thinks he shouldn't be photographed without his permission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7C54zQ1niY
This has been edited as it refers to hidden material- indy mod

Caption: Video Id: U7C54zQ1niY Type: Youtube Video
Garda Movies

by Jacqueline Fallon Thu Oct 29, 2009 00:46

Intelligence is an extremely dirty game with no rules and no boundaries, everything even murder is excused by the State - all in the interests of 'protecting the State' (remember Margaret Perry, RIP).

I remember the time I attended a Republican commemoration for the 22 Irish hunger strikers (RIP) which was held across from the GPO, when a young Garda from the Special Detective Unit came across to me and handed me an abortion leaflet (he went to the bother of getting it from an anti-abortion group who were handing out leaflets at the GPO on the day) and presented it to me with a sinister smile - you have to be a pretty morally bankrupt individual to do something like that - but, then I believe all working in the intelligence world are devoid of any conscience and morally bankrupt - nobody decent would survive in it.

by Fitter upper Fri Oct 30, 2009 23:04

Now you too can be on a spotter card! Simply put the web address of a picture of you in the box at the link below, and be immortalised next to other "potential troublemakers"!

Q is a definite trouble maker

by Bazooka Joe Sat Oct 31, 2009 15:29

Suspect A in the British Police spotter list is Emily Apple of FIT Watch. This is an interesting police video of her arrest which was also obtained by the Guardian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUvrkS_PKsA

by tomeile Sun Nov 01, 2009 15:04

"We need a named & accountable head of intelligence and secret security services who is answerable to the Oireachtas through both Dail & Seanad committees with the findings of same made available to the public."....... iosaf

What do we need a head of intelligence and secret security services for in Ireland ? In Britain they have a long history of conjuring up national enemies to justify this sort of secrecy : Agincourt, the Spanish Armada , Napoleon , the cruel Hun etc .But why here? .If you don’t include the Danes , Ireland has really only ever had one national enemy - and the Special Branch isn’t harassing anyone for wearing poppies . We need to know why the state , which is supposed to be here to protect us , is spying on us . There needs to be an independent system put in place whereby concerned citizens can monitor these sorts of gardai activities safely without being harassed and accused of being subversives.

Dail and Seanad committees will never be allowed to monitor the gardai effectively . Anybody who takes the time to read the recently published book on the Official IRA and Workers Party will be able to see clearly how the Special Branch operates .The Branch actually monitors these legislators' activities to its own ends , turning a blind eye to all sorts of criminality - including murder - as and when it suits them .The legislators – with the exception of a few mavericks like Michael McDowell - invariably back down to the gardai or else they get the treatment.

by tomeile Sun Nov 01, 2009 16:24

Today’s Tribune has a report about senators’ salaries and expenses .

“Senators salaries were topped up with more than €2.71m in expenses for items including foreign travel, telephone allowances, special secretarial allowances and a variety of other unvouched expense items. ........Sixteen senators have claimed more than €200,000 in expenses since 2005, an average of more than €50,000 a year in excess of their salaries”.

Another report on the paper’s front page exposes internal corruption within the gardai , quoting an unnamed source within the force saying that levels of internal gardai corruption are of “pandemic proportions". Officers with the “ right connections” have been able to gain promotion to detective rank over the heads of often better qualified and experienced officers . Those with connections.... “ have ridden roughshod over disciplinary regulations due to their 'pull'," one officer is quoted as saying

And you can bet your yearly expenses that what the corporate press is saying is just the tip of the iceberg. The Oireactas and the Gardai are both part of the same corrupt state set –up . Neither is seriously going to investigate the other.
...........
It’s a good thing then that the churches have recently been able to inject some moral fibre into the affairs of the nation , isn't it? Perhaps the church could somehow be brought in to arbitrate – maybe the Christian Brothers. Unfortunately the Tribune has a story about the Christian Brothers today as well . Could there could be a chance here for one of the new religions Lawrence Cox has been reporting about down in Maynooth to light the way forward for us.

by All The Way From Amerikay Mon Nov 02, 2009 17:54

I suggest you look north and talk to the people with experience in this.

I talk of course, of the north of Ireland.

Problem is, many Southern 'leftist" groups have no interest in looking north.

For anything.

by iosaf Mon Nov 02, 2009 23:50

The last commentator suggests that we ought look to the north of Ireland & in almost the same breath as much as any internet comment may be understood as paced in breaths, sighs or aspirated punctuation suggests that many "leftist"[sic] groups have no interest in looking north. alas, there as are many who only think in the north and don't notice the south as there are those who only think about ireland and don't think about europe.



In the very first paragraph of the main text of my article I had hoped to make it clear that all too often the differences between the Irish state & her EU peers of "either full sovreign statehood or the more ephemeral category of nation" could often be too easily "gleaned from; perusing a potted history of the island, a Bord Fáilte brochure, the wish lists of our fringe nationalists or the complaints of our dedicated alternative left.

I had thought it was clear thus that my article dealt with the Eire state and its exceptions in the EU as I outlined in the following paragraph.

Nonethless, I assure the last commentator and others who have taken the same general attitude to my attempt to highlight an institutional problem in the Eire state, that the peculiarities of the northern Ireland statelet and thus the problems of the UK state and its peculiar arrangements via the 3 strands for the northern irish statelet had not escaped my analysis.

My first appended comment brought readers' attention to the curious circumstances surrounding the final days of cock robin Jeffery Donaldson and the role played in those days be then justice minister of the Irish state, Michael Mc Dowell. I wrote quite correctly that on the day the news of Donaldson's murder in county Donegal within the Eire state was reported, a curious chain of events was added to our public record. The president of Sinn Fein who had accepted the resignation and apology of Donaldson received a phone call from the then British secretary of state for NI, Hain informing him of Donaldson murder whereupon Gerry Adams communicated the facts to the Donaldson family.

If nothing else illustrates the ephemeral limits of sovreign statehood and the remit of the Eire state's security services - then that peculiar chain of communication does.

There are doubtless some amongst the readership who have glossed over and deftly ignored points I tried to make holding to their steadfast political (& possibly cultural) convictions that there may only be one security service at play and wickedness on the island of Ireland & equally only one true enemy of transparency, accountability and those standards I argue should no longer be accepted the Irish state uniquely amongst EU members.

In response to such conviction and analysis, I would yet again invite contemplation and tactical movement which ought easily apply to both the Eire state, the apparata of the Garda Siochana and the still emergent apparata of security forces of both overt and covert nature in the northern Irish statelet (naturally not forgetting the legacy of its precursors).

We ought see, thus, as in many other areas of our full sovreign statehood or the more ephemeral category of nation areas of overlap and dependence with our neighbour wherein the continuing exceptions afforded, or simply present through oversight or negligence in the Eire state, may not be tolerated more.

in either the interest of the "north or south" - so simply put.

nor in the interest of the patchwork of judiciaries and societies which is the "united kingdom"

nor in the future priorities of the Irish peoples or the EU.

Had we in the past counted upon a named head of intelligence and security services who was answerable to the Oireachtas and subject to committee and oversight thus presenting even the first step towards accountablity and transparency -

then surely many matters of concern to those who think only in the "north" be they there or in "america" would have proceeded through different pathways?

Instead we have lived and continue to sustain glaring institutional disparity within the totality of relationships of these islands which logically impinge rights throughout the archipelago.

Quite simply if I must put this idea in terms which can be read by those I described as our "fringe nationalists" - then it is in our longterm interest to not only match the Brits in their window-dressing and mechanisms of oversight but to excel them.

by GERAL - HUMAN RIGHTS Mon Mar 07, 2011 20:25

The fbi and the cia now engage in a variety of criminal assaults on their Targets; one such action is castration.

The cia recently announced that Viagra is being offered to men who help in the USA war effort in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places. No mention is made by the cia of the ongoing practices of the fbi/cia to castrate men who refuse to cooperate (in the murderous war efforts), or who otherwise act against the interests of the American intelligence services (the fbi/cia).
Secret laws now authorize the fbi/cia, et al , to engage in threats of castration and actual castration at will when the intel services can show some basis for the chemical assaults on selected Targets. One such basis is the showing that the Target has or is suspected of having a venereal disease (such as HIV or HPV, etc.) and is therefore a presumed threat to society. Indeed over half the adult male population is now believed to be infected with the HPV, a fact that offers great opportunity for the intel services to carry out their threats of castration on a broad section of the general population.

http://www.brightonpittsfordpost.com/latestnews/x407382...h-HPV

If the fbi/cia decide to end the productive life of an activist, or other suspected “enemy” , he may be incarcerated in a mental hospital by using fraudulent civil process as I have briefly summarized ;

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/05/375399.shtml
http://www.cmaq.net/node/29986

or he may become the subject of a phony criminal case wherein the imprisonment of the Target satisfies the intel service’s need.
Today the fbi/cia also review the medical records of male Targets and conduct other in- depth investigations in efforts to profile the Target in a predetermined manner that ostensibly seeks to justifiy castration. However, in order to achieve the desired end, the intel services also create a file on the Target wherein women swear in false affidavits and file derogatory statements against the Target, rendering the Target vulnerable to corrective action. In some instances the fbi and the cia actually poison or otherwise infect the Target as suggested in some of the links below in order to disable, injure or kill the Target.
Generally, the public is not aware of the dirty tricks used by the intel services against Targets, including adverse actions & procedures against uninfected men and others who pose absolutely no threat to anyone. The central goal of the intel services (the fbi/cia) is to protect state secrets (including their crimes against humanity)

http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part4-worldinabo.html

and to further political objectives (such as silencing whistleblowers).
Thus, men must become more vigilant regarding the crimes planned and committed against them by the fbi/cia agents and their operatives, including members of the public at large who are often co-opted into assisting the assassins in the poisoning and killing of selected Targets (sometimes by obscure methods).

http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/forum/topics/fbicia-methods-...e-and
http://barbarahartwell.blogspot.com/2007/08/new-reports....html.

http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/resumepage.html
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part16-updatefor.html
http://www.governmentattic.org/docs/FBI-Army_Bacteriolo...s.pdf
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2007_hr/germs.pdf
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/tooth14.html
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/letterformthemed.html
http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/forum/topics/psychoelectroni...eapon
http://www.governmentattic.org/docs/USMC_NeuronalEntrai...8.pdf
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/hightechassau.html

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