There is Another Way: Anarchists find huge hoard of wealth

by ab Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:58

Interesting article. I agree that the wealth distribution in Ireland is appalling and that the normal citizen is expected to 'bear the brunt'.
Question is 'exactly what steps should the public be following to change things?'. The Green TDs' only seem to be interested in staying in power to enact some small green policy that is wholly insignificant when compared to the damage being inflicted by NAMA. The Greens seem to think that John Gormley attending the conference in Copenhagen is going to make some sort of difference to the outcome.

So if the Greens aren't going to do the right thing and bow out of power, how is 'joe public' expected to change the government?

by Irish Wolf - Unified Union Stance Tue Nov 24, 2009 16:54

The above posting has some truth but together is the way forward.

Sadly, the Government will divide the private and public sector. Oh yes, they will.

Why?

Trade Unions are divided. It is fact.

Internal fighting - ego's prevail and some, the select few, are on salaries of over euros 150,000 plus.......

Who are the elitte?

Please explain.

I would love to hear your view.

O'Leary - Ryanair said last week - Unions are a waste of space!

Irish Wolf

by Andrew Mon Nov 23, 2009 18:56

One of the fascinating aspects of the capitalist class propaganda is there sudden concern about inequality in pensions, pay etc. Maybe rather than falling for their argument to level down the publis sector workers we should take their argument to it's logical conclusion of equal pay and conditions for all?

by O'Leary - Socialism, Capitalism or Reality Mon Nov 23, 2009 17:51

Sunday Indepedent article makes interesting reading, if you want to take a view from the opposite side.

Ryanair, Chief Executive Michael O'Leary reckons he could save 20 bn. this year. One of his ideas is that the public sector ought to have a 20% cut in numbers and remainder should return to 9 to 5 hours with 20 days holidays p.a. O'Leary has a point. There is considerable administration I would suggest in the management of public sector holidays, sick pay, conference off time, paternity and maternity leave. The differential exists versus those of us who work in the private sector, especially in times of recession.

Recent figures suggest our teachers work the shortest hours in Europe. Is this so and if so is it fair that they can hold parents to ransom in tomorrows strike and future strikes? Have parents not enough to contend with facing the Recession and worse again the Swine Flu which targets our young particularly.

Public Services ought to have a good argument for their reasoning on Strike Action. This is not the 1980's.

Social Welfare tomorrow will reflect what strike means in that payment to recipients bank accounts will be one day late. Think about what this really means! You may say Capitalism but does that excuse put food on the table for the family or pay those bills that are already waiting to be paid.

by A Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:26

"To truly show that we mean business and to build a campaign to force the wealthy to pay for the crisis, we need to begin by winning the argument in our workplaces for a national strike that will shut down every job – public sector and private sector alike"

How would you go about organising this in a country where less than 23% of the private sector are unionised, and practically all the foreign owned MNC sector are increasing the relative pay of their workers? They are exporting as normal. Those who would support a general strike in private sector are those getting totally fucked over by small and medium sized enterprises and previously state owned enterprises with high trade union densities such as Aer Lingus.

But, there is almost no precedent in Ireland or anywhere else for SME workers to go on strike, given the nature of how their workplace is organised. And, most would rather blame the public sector for their woes rather than the banks that have freezed credit flows.

There is a possibility of organising the retail and service sector. I mean, the real struggle and exploitation taking place in the economy is in places like Boots, where employers are totally taking the piss. I mean, whatever about looking for a 5 per cent reduction in pay costs via changed working conditions, taking a flat 20 per cent off pay for those earning less than €25k (salary) merits a riot. The government for all its faults tends to be a relatively good employer when compared to the likes of Boots or Coca Cola.

Also, most workers are wedded to a strategy of concilliation and mediation to resolve work place disputes via the LRC or the Labour Court. These remained significantly high over the 'Celtic Tiger' period, and are exploding through the roof at the moment.

To achieve a general strike (and I agree on the need for one) requires a collective agreement that can only take place via a structured strategy that incorporates all workers. The conditions and circumstances to achieve this (i.e. mass manufacturing) do not exist in an extremely diversified employment structure. Capitalism and its operational arm of business organisation has changed. Thus, so has the implications for organising labour.

This is not an argument against organising for a general strike. But, we need a more nuanced and contemporary analysis of labour, employment and workplace organisation to build such a strategy. Otherwise, calls for a general strike will be noises in the wind.

by Rudiger - RSC Wed Nov 18, 2009 17:59

Irish Independent ran with a story on Monday that Irish based company had made a gas discovery in Algeria, which is more than twice the size of Corrib. The Indo said that it was the 10th largest gas find in the world this year.

What the Indo didn't say was that Algeria will take 71% of the profits from that gas find.
That's according to this US Government Report (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07676r.pdf).

Ireland on the other hand is running at a 25% tax for Corrib, and thats after all costs including IRMS security bills, the bribes to the Belmullet GAA and Shell's recent €3000 fine, will be written off against tax. In that report only Cameroon has a more favourable deal for the oil companies.

The article in the examiner below states how Shell have paid no tax at all between 2004 and end of 2007 (and they won't have paid any in the mean time either). In that period they got tax credits of €28m.

http://www.examiner.ie/business/shell-ireland-receives-....html