Resisting the Royal visit in Cork

by Damien M Fri May 20, 2011 10:52

So a foreign soldier occupying a land not his own, is deemed a soldier but a soldier defending his home from a foreign invader from a brutal occupying army in 'an operation' is a terrorist? How does that work? Your sense of logic is really skewed.

by Al Slater Fri May 20, 2011 09:38

She is NOT my Queen, when will you get that. I believe where we really differ is that I unlike you have NOT been brainwashed by the republican socialist dogma that you so obviously have.

I must say I have enjoyed my couple of days on this site seeing the republican concept for what it s.

And by the way "Al Shatter" is NOT my real name, but I am surprised that no one has yet realised that the name Al Slater is the name of an SAS soldier that was killed in Fermanagh during an operation where an IRA terrorist was taken prisoner, I believe he ended up being a hunger Striker.

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by PJ - Anti-Arselickers League Thu May 19, 2011 20:45

I'd have no problem 'accepting blame' as you put it, if Ireland had ever engaged in any type of violent or aggressive

occupation of another country. Off the top of my head I can name 10 countries, all previously minding their own business, and

all containing massive reserves of valuable natural resources or of strategic military importance, where England turned up with

a 'colony' and proceeded to subjugate, with astonishing violence, the local population who weren't too keen to see them clearing out the

best of everything and sending it back to blighty. The queen of england has the blood of conquest and carnage on her hands and all the

stage-managed empty posturing and meaningless references to the past that we've seen and heard over the last few days doesn't in

any way diminish their history of brutality or indeed their use of it in the future if they perceive the need. The only reason that england is

no longer a superpower is because the U.S stole a march on them after the Industrial Revolution simply because of the scale of

production it was capable of. Make no mistake, if england was the size of the U.S, we'd all be drinking halves of mild and wondering why

we haven't put a man at silly mid-off.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu May 19, 2011 17:45

that smacks of the FG/FF/Lab all in this together, ALL bought the subprime bullshit, ALL share the pain, no blame games, shit the fuckers sank the economy are spouting as they lard it offshore and squat on the disemployed, sickout with wealth, and weakest in the educational system, its a social-darwinist philosophy of dog-eat-dog cos we got ALL the bones. you are either very naive, or snug inside the race tent. Sure your not al shatter?

your queen waxes about the 'tragic mistakes of the past' as her government repeats them across the middle east and north Africa. You may be an an island, but on this one I'm with the englishman John Donne.

by Al Slater Thu May 19, 2011 16:27

The standard response warmongerers etc, what about republican resonsibility for the war they waged on their own people. They excuted and murdered left right and centre. So feel free to talk warmongering and other such words in relation to others but the blame must be accepted by ALL the participants.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu May 19, 2011 14:05

...consisting of the adulating fawners in our 'national' media, whipped of course by their corporate bosses gagging for an extra gong like Sir Anto or Modom Royal Irish Times.

Sure as E=MCsquared, reflected glory plus revenue=royal loyalism.

Useful idiots come in blue as well as red.

by PJ - Anti-Arselickers League Thu May 19, 2011 10:23

........applies to the visit itself. the real symbolism of this visit is the empty streets, the belligerent and highhanded behaviour of the

Guards as they shoved the citizens of our capital city down sidestreets while the leader of the greatest warmongering nation of them all

was wined and dined by a ragtag assortment of political incompetents who have lost our national sovereignty and walked our country

into €250 bilion worth of debt that wont be paid off in this or any other lifetime. A post which is entitled 'don't blame the Garda' says it

all. I suppose your next posting will be 'don't blame the Garda who openly joked about raping a young girl - it was her fault for being

female'. You're not by any chance related to Kenneth Clarke, are you?

by Serf Thu May 19, 2011 02:30

"Over the last few months I have observed posters all around Dublin telling people to object to the visit."

Well interesting you should say that since the gardai and DCC lackeys were tearing down all the posters in sight prior to the visit! They did their damndest to try and prevent a wide scale mobilisation of activists.

by Al Slater Wed May 18, 2011 10:05

I wonder are there really that many people opposed to this visit.

Over the last few months I have observed posters all around Dublin telling people to object to the visit. From time to time I have seen small groups protesting.

This group planned originally for a hotel venue but subsequently changed to a book shop.

I will stand over your right to protest and debate, but please do not denigrate those of us who do not object to this visit.

The majority of the people of this country it would appear have no problem with the visit and their opinion should be respected as much as your.

by Serf Tue May 17, 2011 00:00

Just watched "the frontline". Like some unfortunate battered wife, I keep thinking maybe next time things might be different. I must be some kind of tv masochist. :-(

Stacked audience full of young idiots with no idea how the world really works spouting their ill informed views: "the queens visit is great for tourism" and "we should just forget the past", "England "gave" us 6 billion" etc etc. Disproportionate time given to pro Queen visit people. All the usual rhetorical shite arguments.

Pat Kenny talking down the taxi man who objected to the cost and the lock down of our capital
Poor mary Lou was thrown to the dogs
Bah! What scum

This was followed closely by another biased program "forbidden love: The Royals"

If you ask me all thats left for them to do this week on the national broadcaster is to air some flashed subliminal advertising urging us to bend over and stick the remote up our own ass rapidly and violently until it's red raw.

by Serf Mon May 16, 2011 22:58

ignoring is not an option.
It still costs cash strapped taxpayers over 30 million euro.
Express your anger, don't ignore and roll over.

by bhrian o beartlaoi - freemenofwaterford Mon May 16, 2011 22:54

people should show their disgust at this circus by ignoring this visit in totality
hopefully she'll do us all a favour and croak it on the way over the irish sea....

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Sun May 15, 2011 13:48

Classic case then of the mamma sow taking her little PIIGgy to market. Wear your sash.

I wonder is Paddy Power taking odds on how long before we sign up to overt and fully fledged membership of NATO. FG would be happy, all the way back to garret der gutt von bilderberg. Jeamo might not like it, Jenda will revel. And with Shatter doubling at Justice AND Defense we're into the Big Top tent. All circus, no bread.

by Cork anarchists Oppose the Queen's Visit Sun May 15, 2011 09:15

Why We Should Oppose the Queen's Visit – report on Cork WSM Meeting

On last Tuesday evening at Solidarity Books a small but very interested audience listened to James McBarron of Cork WSM give a talk outlining why people should oppose the impending visit of the queen of England to the Republic of Ireland. In his presentation, he reminded us that the institution of monarchism, the British monarchy in particular because of its historic role, is bound up intimately with the promotion of imperialism, militarism and privilege, and therefore should be opposed...

The talk was followed by contributions from the floor and questions to the speaker. Among the points raised during these exchanges were how protesting monarchism is in effect protesting all privilege, what it was like to grow up in Britain under the propaganda onslaught for that outdated, undemocratic and warmongering institution, what protests were likely to carry the best political message and the how the history of resistance to the institution of the monarchy in Britain (including one regicide!) has been erased from popular history by the weight of royalist revisionism. In spite of the small attendance, it was well worth doing for the political points it helped tease out for those who came to the bookshop on Tuesday evening to enjoy it.

Audio of James' talk and the following discussion and questions (3 parts):

Why We Should Oppose the Queen's Visit – report on Cork anarchist Meeting (+ 3 audio files)

http://wsm.ie/sites/default/files/QueenTalkPt1a.mp3

Queen Talk Pt1

http://wsm.ie/sites/default/files/QueenTalkPt1b.mp3

Queen Talk Pt2

http://wsm.ie/sites/default/files/QueenTalkPt2.mp3

Queen Talk Pt3

by Rebel Cork Sun May 15, 2011 08:49

In todays online Irish Times, the "Ireland" section leads with its main image that from the Cork rebels who are opposed to the royal visit that is coming to the "English market" http://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/

'English market' protest over royal visit
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0514/....html

One of two websites about the English Market in Cork was used to highlight a rally protesting against the visit of Queen Elizabeth to the market next Friday.

The site, www.corkenglishmarket.ie, was set up a number of years ago by Jonathan McKee, a former stall-holder before Cork City Council set up their own website on the market.

"It will be a sad day for Cork if the visit happens," Cllr Mick Nugent said.

"The British monarchy is based on values of hierarchy, inequality and deference which have no place in a modern republic. I see no reason why this feudal relic should be invited to Cork, or feted at taxpayers’ expense."

A phone poll of about 500 listeners to Cork’s 96FM earlier this week showed that two-thirds of those who voted on the issue oppose the visit.

REBEL CORK NOT ROYAL CORK - Irish Times gives prominant position to rebel Cork poster

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Sat May 14, 2011 13:11

Noli illegitimi carburundum, dont let the bastards grind ya down.....into anger and disgust altogether.

Thats my view. Life is too short to let shit stick to the shoes.

Suggestion?
Get a petition together to demand a Special Rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody, and take it in the cop-shop and to all your local indigna-Tories for signature.
Hit the Examiner office and any press crews from overseas. Expose the puerile idiocy of it all, rather than letting them raise your blood pressure.
And mock up a few crowns from tin-foil and broken glass or coloured cellophane. The meejits are the messengers.DO NOT provide them with footage that feeds the securicorp budget. Take the piss and pretend there actually is intelligent life on planet Oirlind.
We dont want the world to remember us for the fucking Jedwardian Age of Jenda&Jeamonn.

by cropbeye - C.A.R.V.E Sat May 14, 2011 01:35 cropbeye at yahoo dot com 0862411789

The venue of the above meeting has been changed

to Solidarity Books on Douglas Street.

Eirigi regrets any inconvenience caused.