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Waste Charges Raised Again in Council

category dublin | bin tax / household tax / water tax | feature author Tuesday October 05, 2004 19:31author by Indy Council Correspondent Report this post to the editors

More waste charges mooted, increased taxi fares passed, Council to dissolve?

From the newswire (by Indy Council Correspondent):

A bin (c) Scots Independent The issue of waste charges came up in City Council last night but while opposition was as strong as ever, the lack of a coherent strategy to do away with the Charges is glaringly evident.

It is only the start of October and already the issue of Bin Charges and the approach to the Estimates in Dublin City Council has started to become an issue.

At last night’s Council meeting the councillors discussed a draft submission on behalf of the Council to the review of local government funding. The 20 page document contained a wealth of information on the current funding and expenditure of the Council and suggested a number of ways to raise funds in future.

These included a hotel bed tax of two Euros a night and the end to the exemption for state occupied buildings from rates. Both would require Leinster House approval but the latter could mean as much as 24 million Euros a year for the Council, substantially more than the waste charges raise. One of the other options however attracted the anger of Sinn Fein and Independent councillors, namely the proposal to make domestic householders pay the full cost of the waste collection service, which would lead to a massive increase in charges.

Not as widely commented on was the proposal that the Department of Social and Family Affairs reimburse the Council for the cost of the waiver scheme. On the surface, this is hardly a bad thing, but if the Department was to do so it would be obliged to set a single state wide waiver system. With different levels of generosity in different local authorities, the scheme set by the Department might be, indeed would be, far less generous than that currently available from the City Council.

Of course separate to this draft submission, the issue of Bin Charges in the Estimates is only a few months away. Anti Bin Tax campaigners in Ballyfermot have started targeting local Labour councillors, believing their votes to be vulnerable. Labour, Sinn Fein and the three Independents have a combined total of 28 votes, enough to defeat the Estimates, but campaigners are concerned at whether the Labour vote in particular will hold.

Fine Gael, the Green and the PD Councillors continue to support the Charges but Fianna Fail might do anything from vote against, to vote for, to abstain, in order to make things as difficult as possible for the Labour-FG alliance on City Council.

But while the Anti-Bin Tax campaign calls for these votes, there is little sign of a strategy from them, or the parties.

The opposition to the Bin Tax consisted of two, not necessarily complimentary strategies. Sinn Fein and Labour focussed on Council votes, and on a number of occasions came close to collapsing the Council only to see it saved by Labour councillors and the casting vote of a Labour Mayor. The Campaign on the outside focussed on non-payment as the way to break the campaign.

Arguably the biggest mistake was the lack of a unified approach between the two strategies but either way the simple truth is that both have failed. While thousands continue not to pay, their numbers are in steep decline. Campaigners who claim the Bin Charges can still be defeated through non-payment are guilty of propagating a dishonest fantasy.

At the same time the Council based approach of Labour and SF has also failed, with the decision of the Government to rig democracy by taking the power to set the charges out of the hands of councillors as a response to the campaign against them both within and without.

So what happens in December? Well if Labour, SF and the Independents hold firm and collapse the Council, unlikely but possible, then the Council is dissolved and a Commissioner appointed.

And here’s the rub. What happens then? How does collapsing the Council advance an end to Bin Charges? Arguably, the appointment of a Commissioner with the power to set whatever Estimates he or she would like would open the door to the kind of Charges regime mentioned in the draft submission on local government funding where the householder pays the full cost of the service. It would certainly mean an end to the work of councillors on other issues representing their constituents.

Of course if the dissolution of the Council would lead to an end to the Charges, then it might well be worth doing, but neither the Anti-Bin Tax campaign nor the parties opposed to it seem to have a strategy for doing so. Yes, collapsing the Council would send a powerful message of the anger of local people, but would it leave householders better or worse off? What is the strategy if the Council does dissolve?

The likelihood of this happening however is low. While FF will make things as difficult as possible they’re likely to back the Estimates in the end and Labour are hardly likely to allow the message to be sent out that they and FG can’t run a Council, let along a government.

But the deeper question remains unanswered. Is the campaign against the Bin Tax defeated? And if so, why are certain individuals keeping it going? If it is not defeated, what, if anything, is the strategy for victory? At present the aim seems to be to dissolve the Council but there is little focus on what happens after that. And that might be a mistake that a lot of Dubliners will have to pay for.

In a postscript, City Councillors voted to support a 7% increase in taxi fares from January 2005. The motion was supported by Labour, FF, SF and Independent councillors and opposed by FG and the PD councillor. This is the first approved fare increase for two years.

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Collapse the sham democracy     james    Tue Oct 05, 2004 13:38 
   Please clarify     Mike    Tue Oct 05, 2004 14:12 
   Mike's question     seedot    Tue Oct 05, 2004 14:46 
   Comments on Article     seedot    Tue Oct 05, 2004 14:56 
   Deception     TT    Tue Oct 05, 2004 14:57 
   I won't be the first to blink     Indy Council Corr    Tue Oct 05, 2004 15:50 
   Back up your quote     Curious    Tue Oct 05, 2004 16:24 
   Dublin City Council Bin Charges     Interested    Tue Oct 05, 2004 16:50 
   Strategies     Chekov    Tue Oct 05, 2004 16:51 
 10   A personal view     F. Scott Anderson    Tue Oct 05, 2004 16:56 
 11   crushing of resistance     Joe    Tue Oct 05, 2004 17:12 
 12   Jaundiced view     Propaganda watch    Tue Oct 05, 2004 17:27 
 13   Joe     F.Scott Anderson    Tue Oct 05, 2004 17:35 
 14   But you can't have it both ways     PW    Tue Oct 05, 2004 17:51 
 15   Solidarity action     Chekov    Tue Oct 05, 2004 17:59 
 16   PW's two contributions     F.Scott Anderson    Tue Oct 05, 2004 18:00 
 17   Concluding remarks     Indy Council Corr    Tue Oct 05, 2004 18:02 
 18   what now?     sheancan    Tue Oct 05, 2004 18:13 
 19   the proposed charges are WHAT!!!!!     Mike    Tue Oct 05, 2004 18:38 
 20   Never mind the strategy - feel the disruption     seedot    Tue Oct 05, 2004 19:23 
 21   Seedot     F.Scott Anderson    Tue Oct 05, 2004 19:46 
 22   Seedot     Chekov    Tue Oct 05, 2004 20:14 
 23   Useful links     F.Scott Anderson    Tue Oct 05, 2004 20:35 
 24   reflection or recrimination     seedot    Tue Oct 05, 2004 21:34 
 25   remember     reformist    Wed Oct 06, 2004 02:23 
 26   and also     John    Wed Oct 06, 2004 02:33 
 27   Seedot     Chekov    Wed Oct 06, 2004 03:33 
 28   John     F.Scott Anderson    Wed Oct 06, 2004 03:50 
 29   claification     Lucy Ball    Wed Oct 06, 2004 05:12 
 30   One thing F. Scott (Planetary Scientist)     Nitpicker    Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:47 
 31   Cork Council issue more threatening letters     Corcagensi    Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:12 
 32   Lucy:     Badman    Wed Oct 06, 2004 14:55 
 33   To Interested     Michael Gallagher    Wed Oct 06, 2004 15:32 
 34   this 80% figure that's bandied around     David Lyons    Wed Oct 06, 2004 15:53 
 35   Double Taxation !!     Interested    Wed Oct 06, 2004 16:37 
 36   Dishonest reply     John    Wed Oct 06, 2004 23:39 
 37   John     Rockin Robin    Thu Oct 07, 2004 01:25 
 38   Campaign mistakes and other things     Terry    Thu Oct 07, 2004 02:32 
 39   Whatever you do...don't read the SD article     seedot    Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:14 
 40   Stephen Collins     pedant    Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:20 
 41   Bin Charges     Involved    Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:23 
 42   So Involved     Interested    Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:33 
 43   Oxigen     Involved    Thu Oct 07, 2004 15:09 
 44   Involved in selling out the workers?     Chekov    Thu Oct 07, 2004 16:04 
 45   to Seedot re: socialist democracy     chekov    Thu Oct 07, 2004 20:51 
 46   reply to chekov     at the back of the room    Fri Oct 08, 2004 22:32 
 47   Fear not Fianna Fail...watch Labour and Finn Gael.     John McDermott    Sat Oct 09, 2004 01:10 
 48   A prayer that never fails.....     john mcdermott    Sun Oct 10, 2004 16:56 
 49   Bin Charges     Spud    Wed Oct 13, 2004 19:25 


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