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category national | sci-tech | feature author Wednesday April 13, 2005 20:46author by Auntie IRMA Report this post to the editors

'The darknets are where it's at I'm told'' sez Wag ''Anyone got directions?"

The Irish Recorded Music Association is to start legal action against 17 Irish people whom they accuse of sharing copywrighted music. IRMA announced the decision today, claiming they 'were forced' into the move and are 'unhappy' about it. They cite figures that the 'Irish Music Industry' is 'losing' €3.8m annually because of illegal downloading. Since 2002 they have seen profits fall from €146m annually to €118m, which is a 19% drop over 3 years. The put this drop in sales down to what they call 'serial filesharers'.

IRMA is the trade organisation representing 47 members, including major and independent record companies. IRMA say that file sharing is “effectively stealing the livelihood of the creators of music”.

But who is really 'stealing the livelihoods' of musicians?

Take an average new CD that costs between €15 and €20. According to Patrick Norager, who runs an Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) net-radio station: “Artists only get 10 percent of (the money from) their sales before they pay managers and absorb breakage fees and other expenses... The fact is unless you can sell 250,000 copies on a major label you will probably get dropped. The way they do it, it’s like they’re selling toasters instead of music.”

So the artist (unless they are huge sellers like U2 or Metallica) will only get between somewhere between €1.50 to €2 or less for every CD sold, before additional expenses and record company 'recouperation'. The 'record industry' (the labels, the stores, the middlemen) and taxman get the rest.

Steve Albini, a longtime rock producer (perhaps most famous for working on Nirvana's final studio album) lays out a typical example of a new band signing to a major label, from an Indie label.

After signing for a £250,000 advance with a 13% cut of record sale profits (-10% of that 13% for 'packaging') - this band will find themselves having made a paltry $4000 each. And the really strange thing is that NONE of this comes from the record royalties - the band actually owes the record industry $14,000 for the album. The small amount of money made actually comes from touring and merchandise. As Dougie Thomspon, former Supertramp bassist, says: "make sure that you book as may shows as you can, as far in advance as possible, for as much money as you can get while the fire is hot."

It's surplus value gone mad - imagine a worker who ends up owing their boss money after they've carried out their work they were contracted to do!

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At the end of the first album and a five week tour here are the profits made:

Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000

Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25 (for four people)

So this band, on their first album and tour have made the meagre amount of four grand each, while they have generated over $3.3 million for the record industry. See Albini's article here: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

Who's ripping off whom exactly?

Some say services such as I-Tunes are more 'artist friendly' than big label CD releases. This is arguable, there's an interesting article about it here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/8232

Now, lets look at IRMA's figures.

They cite a sales drop of almost €4 on an annual basis. I'm not a maths expert (B in pass Math 1998) - but I can't figure these numbers out. According to IRMA these are cumulitive losses - ie, every year they lose a further 3.8 million to 'downloaders'. So in 2002 they are down 3.8m, in 2003 they are down another 3.8 on top of the 3.8 (in total 11.4m), and in 2004 they are down a further 11.4m - bringing our total to 22.8m.

146 - 22.8 = 123.2

The figure they cite is 118m - where did the other 5 million go? But I guess in relative terms, 5 million is nothing - and I am open to correction from a mathemathician on this question.

However, lets look at what IRMA could be leaving out. They cite losses for the 'Irish Music Industry' - I'm guessing this doesn't include people like session players, producers, studio owners etc, they are simply talking, I assume, about 'sales revenue'.

What is the Irish Music Industry? Thats a good question. One would expect it to be composed of groups like Whirlygig, Celtic, Spaceboy etc. Well, yes they are represented by IRMA. But so too are such great Irish companies as Warner Music (Ireland), Sony Music (Ireland), Universal Music (Ireland) and EMI (Ireland). Just to take the example of Sony - after looking at their website, I can see only four Irish bands on their label. (There may be more, but that is all that is listed, and one of them is B*Witched). Universal has about four too, at least according to an incomplete artist list on their site. EMI apprently have no Irish bands (again according to the list on their site). Warner's website is horrible (they don't even have an Irish website) but I think they have at least three Irish bands, possibly more.

So, this isn't about evil downloaders stealing from -Irish- bands or singers. At least not for the Big Four - who lets face it, own most of the Industry anyway. This is about the sales -in- Ireland of international artists. Using IRMA's own figures, theres been a drop of €28m for the record industry, which when you apply Steve Albini's math (in which artists get 0.48% of what the record industry does), artists themselves have lost only €134,400! Or taking it as just a percentage of what the record company makes (2.25%) a whopping €630,000.

Even then, the figures may be misleading. How is revenue calculated? Does the calculation rely simply on sales within Ireland? Do they take into account the fact that many (well I do) people buy their music from much cheaper places like Play.com (based in Jersey), CDWow.ie (actually based in Buckinghamshire, UK) and Amazon (there is no Amazon.ie)? Are these sales to Irish people calculated into the losses or what?

Speaking personally, I can't remember the last time I bought anything other than second hand discs/DVDs in Ireland. Probably at Christmas 2002. Since then I've pretty much ordered everything from Amazon and Play - thats about 25 DVDs and maybe 5 discs. I pretty much buy discs only second hand these days (and that would amount to somewhere in the region of 30 discs in the last 2 years - all second hand).

Also, I'd like to know do they figure in pay-per-download sites, such as I-Tunes or Mp3Download.com in these figures?

Then there is the fact that every download is not necessarily a 'lost' sale. People will download things they would never think about buying.

Finally, there is the question that the record industry will never address. The majority of absolute shite that passes for music these days. Yeah there are some decent mainstream bands, but they are a vast minority (in my opinion anyway). Just look at the top ten charts:

--Singles--

(Is This The Way To) Amarillo
Tony Christie feat. Peter Kay

Candy Shop
50 Cent

Rich Girl
Gwen Stefani feat. Eve

All About You / You've Got a Friend
McFly

Let Me Love You
Mario

Switch
Will Smith

Get Right
Jennifer Lopez

Over and Over
Nelly feat. Tim McGraw

They
Jem

Falling Stars
Sunset Strippers

--Albums--

Hot Fuss
Killers

Language. Sex. Violence. Other?
Stereophonics

The Massacre
50 Cent

Hey Dreamer
John Spillane

American Idiot
Green Day

Love. Angel. Music. Baby
Gwen Stefani

O
Damien Rice

The Singles
Basement Jaxx

Lullabies To Paralyze
Queens of the Stone Age

The Definitive Collection
Tony Christie

I'd never buy any of those - I did get copies of the Killers and Damien Rice albums off a mate - and despite three or four good songs on each, they're not great. Certainly not worth upwards of €15 (again, thats my personal taste - my mate likes them).

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
   What do the artists themselves have to say on the matter?     on the lam    Tue Apr 12, 2005 21:11 
   names     Paul    Wed Apr 13, 2005 04:21 
   i hope they're not coming to git me     nervous indymedia editor    Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:51 
   sacrilege     barry    Wed Apr 13, 2005 14:44 
   The Magnificent 17     Auntie IRMA    Wed Apr 13, 2005 19:20 
   Stung in the UK     jsr    Wed Apr 13, 2005 19:30 
   I don't think so     jack white    Wed Apr 13, 2005 20:22 
   the jig     jsr    Wed Apr 13, 2005 20:43 
   Whats that     Mick    Thu Apr 14, 2005 01:25 
 10   Betamax Rule     Auntie IRMA    Thu Apr 14, 2005 01:43 
 11   Downloading Music GOOD for Music Industry     Paul Baynes    Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:49 
 12   To Paul     Auntie IRMA    Thu Apr 14, 2005 17:05 
 13   EFF Ireland?     redjade    Thu Apr 14, 2005 17:22 
 14   Creative Commons - let the music industry drown in its own excrement     Phuq Hedd    Thu Apr 14, 2005 18:45 
 15   Daily Ireland     Auntie IRMA    Fri Apr 15, 2005 01:12 
 16   SORRY!     Auntie IRMA    Fri Apr 15, 2005 01:14 
 17   Trent Reznor release remixable     Phuq Hedd    Sat Apr 16, 2005 22:10 
 18   want some free hip hop with a message?     examiner    Sun Apr 17, 2005 18:42 
 19   Hot Press runs story on issue     Auntie-IRMA    Fri Apr 22, 2005 18:07 
 20   Here's some scans of the Hot Press article     Auntie-IRMA    Sat Apr 23, 2005 22:38 
 21   more scans     Auntie-IRMA    Sat Apr 23, 2005 22:42 
 22   Copyright Criminals Documentary     eeekkkkk    Sun Feb 26, 2006 14:09 
 23   The Political Economy of Peer Production     eeekkkkk    Sun Feb 26, 2006 15:31 
 24   Teach the kids a language and cut out their tongues     eeekkkkk    Sun Feb 26, 2006 15:33 
 25   comment     primroseblue    Wed Nov 15, 2006 15:06 


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