Bin tax: 20 months on non collection arrives in Cabra

by eeekkk Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:07

clowns think all opposition to them is on buses to scotland. I have a feeling they are very wrong about that.

by Curious Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:19

Are you sure it was non-payers or as has been happening in other parts non-registered bins that were not collected?

by Elle Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:21

I suspect that the top brass in Dublin Corpo know that the real opposition to the bin charges is a grass roots opposition - and by grass roots I mean rooted in a community - the protest hoppers who have gone to Scotland have IMHO very little to do with the real opposition to the imposition of this unjust charge. Sure - they exist on the fringes of the Anti Bin Tax Campaign but they frighten no-one - cos everyone knows they will f**k off once they have another more glamorous or trendier protest to attend. And that's fine because the people of Dublin in areas like Crumlin had a fine campaign before we became part of the "protest chic" and will have a fine campaign when the protest hoppers move on.
To suggest that the Corpo waited til a few Dissent Heads (if that's what the kids are calling them) went to Scotland before implementing non-collection is very naive and displays a pitiful lack of understanding about the nature of the Anti Bin Charges campaign and the people involved in it.

by johnny rewop rewolf - baron samedi fan club Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:27

greetings from aotearoa

by Joe Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:30

I'm not sure what is up with Elle's 'divide and rule' comment above - there would be a small cross over with the G8 crowd but as much because 80% of them are either from outside Dublin or were under 20 two years back. Of the remainder a few have been on several blocakades and did leafletting, holding meetings etc - probably better to recognise that contribution than play holier than thou for whatever reason.

On the question of non-payer V non-registration. Yeah sorry for not been clear on this but the bins that were not collected were tagged as non-registered. I was presuming the two were equivalent as you can't pay without registering can you?

by eeekkkk Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:32

thanks for the subtle little 'outing' btw elle ;-)

I don't presume too much when making presumptions about ' the top brass in Dublin Corpo'.

Tell you what though - I assume they get the majority of their info on the campaign from here which might give them an 'unbalanced' view of who and what are the bin tax opposition. Same with shell issue.

"the protest hoppers who have gone to Scotland have IMHO very little to do with the real opposition to the imposition of this unjust charge"

some of them do and some of them don't is probably closest to the truth of the matter

by eeekkkk Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:34

in my living room minding the kids and watching cartoons. If i go anywhere it'll be west not east. never did like them deep fried mars bars.

by Was Curious Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:38

"On the question of non-payer V non-registration. Yeah sorry for not been clear on this but the bins that were not collected were tagged as non-registered. I was presuming the two were equivalent as you can't pay without registering can you?"

The council after a couple of set backs with regard to non-payment and due to the fact that they are in limbo with the successful court actions have not pursued non-collection for non-payment yet. They are however picking areas to non-collect bins for non-registration. In fact Council workers have been registering bins where they are in the front garden of householders with or without their permission (I'd love to know how that deal was negotiated). To the best of my knowledge Crumlin is the only area that has fought the registration issue. Bins registered whether the householder has not paid a cent will be collected.

by Joe Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:51

Thanks for that clarificiation.

by seedot Fri Jul 01, 2005 13:38

In Crumlin the bins were collected the following day whether they were registered or not. They have then been subsequently collected with no problem.

by Baggie Sat Jul 02, 2005 02:00

Consume away and throw out all your plastic bags. The corpo will find a place for it.

They'll do something environmental about it, like ship it off to China or Scotland.

They won't dump it in Enniskerry, because Wicklow county council are too busy dealing with their own shite.

This won't cost any money. Your bin charges pay for gold plated corpo toilet seats.

And bin trucks are written into the constitution.

by seedot Sat Jul 02, 2005 02:31

Just the 1878 Public Health Act.

See if we don't all clean up after ourselves collectively it gets really shitty. This is the way it works in the bario in Gleneagles, this is the way the Romans figured out when they started refuse collection, this is the way our cities should work.

But the market is the solution isn't it. You get what you pay for - the only way.

by Baggie Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:28

All that rubbish in Cabra doesn't go away for free, you know. Whether it is the corpo or a private contractor, it costs money to haul it away and bury it in a landfill. The market doesn't come into it.

I never understood the passions over the anti-bin tax campaign. Why shouldn't people pay to dispose of their waste?

I am happy to support the less well off in this society. However, I try to minimise my own waste, so I don't see why I should subsidise the polluting ways of others.

It is unclear to me why left wingers supported the anti-bin tax campaign, which was basically about a bunch of householders evading tax. I have the feeling that it was more about populism than ideology., unfortunately.

If you want to challenge market solutions, you should tackle the system that creates so much waste in the first place.

Start demanding for small scale local food markets instead of buying frozen asian-bird-flu-in-polysteryne chicken kievs in Lidl and Tesco.

And if we are going to consume all this crap in a pack, maybe the plastic bag tax should be extended to an unnecessary plastic packaging tax.

Or a shipped all the way from Argentina when it could be grown in Ireland tax.

That way people might make responsible decisions about the market instead of blaming the corporation for their shopping sprees.

by Bin man Sun Jul 03, 2005 22:28

That's what it's all about Baggie you auld bag ya. Apart from that the fact that the bin taxes are double taxes on PAYE workers; it's all about making the bin service profitable so that it can be sold off to private service vultures who are probably friends of yours Baggie you old bat. This is people's livelihoods that we are talking about. Do you not care about that Baggie?