Hiroshima / Nagasaki Day Resistance

by Photos Fr. Carl Kabat Mon Aug 10, 2009 02:21

Photos of Fr. Carl kabat entering Nuclear Missile Silo, Colorado, USA

http://www.jonahhouse.org/kabat0809c.htm

by Pentagon arrests Mon Aug 10, 2009 02:58 Washington D.C. U.S.A.

Dear Friends,

We are at the Faith and Resistance retreat in Washington, DC, remembering the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. On August 6, we went to the Pentagon early in the morning, and walked in and around holding banners and wearing black robes and white masks to symbolize those who have died in war. Liz McAlister and George Veasey were arrested for holding a banner that said: Remember the pain, repent the sin, reclaim the future. They were trying to block people from going to work. They were charged with failing to obey a lawful order, and go to court October 23. The Pentagon entrance they were in front of is where about 7,000 people go into work each day

Photos from Pentagon action....
http://www.jonahhouse.org/FRAug09pent.htm

by The Real World Mon Aug 10, 2009 16:38

After the horrific casualties at the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, it was clear to American planners and strategists that a full scale invasion of the Japanese home islands would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of American dead and millions of Japanese military and civilian dead prolonging the war into 1946 or even 1947.
Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki bought the war to a brutal and swift end killing tens of thousands of people immediately but brought the misery of war to an end for tens of millions who would almost certainly died had the war continued.

More than 60 years and far removed from a conflict of almost indescribable savagry where the fate of millions was decided by the decisions of their leaders it is all too easy to judge Truman and his generals.
But they had no other choice but to do the unthinkable to bring the war to an end.

In hindsight the bombings of the two Japanese cities by atomic weapons and the horrific consequences for the survivors and their descendents who continue to suffer cancers and deformities to this day served as a warning to both sides in the subsequent Cold War of what was in store if full scale nuclear war was ever initiated and is no doubt the very reason why humanity still exists at all today.

by Jail solidarity address Tue Aug 11, 2009 01:16

Please send solidarity letters and postcards to

Fr. Carl Kabat OMI
Weld County Jail
2110 O Street
Greeley, CO 80631
USA

by Slideshow Wed Aug 12, 2009 00:35

Carl Kabat slideshow; was arrested at N-8 Saturday

http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=0ASmCKR2MI5MuZGZ...hl=en

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Photos, statement, news reports of Carl Kabat's arrest at nuclear silo
on CSaction
http://csaction.org/N8/N8.html

by rianorr - na Mon Aug 17, 2009 13:41

Just read this weekend of nine months up to August 6th when the American Air force systematically bombed nearly all
Japanese cities until finally they ran out of targets. This was estimated to have killed from 500,000 to 750,000
civilians. The nature of the bombing was to create massive fires which would consume the entire cities, adding new
words to the dictionary of war like firestorm and sweep conflagration.

They did not bomb 4 major cities, not out of humanitarian considerations but because they wanted to study
the effects of there new weapon. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were next.

by Feudal castrato Mon Aug 17, 2009 20:50

"After the horrific casualties at the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, it was clear to American planners and strategists that a full scale invasion of the Japanese home islands would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of American dead and millions of Japanese military and civilian dead prolonging the war into 1946 or even 1947.
Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki bought the war to a brutal and swift end killing tens of thousands of people immediately but brought the misery of war to an end for tens of millions who would almost certainly died had the war continued."

Yes thats the party line. However it is now known that Japan were willing to agree to a surrender if they could just keep their emperor. However the allies refused this simple token condition. IMHO They did this because they knew the Japanese needed this to save face and would otherwise not go through with a surrender. This gave the allies a "plausible" excuse to try out their new expensive nuclear toys under real conditions and make a strong statement to the russians that they were the big dogs now.

The fact is, nobody actually knows the future and there were many possibilities other than the "tens of millions would almost certainly died had the war continued" scenario trotted out by apologists. It is a fallacious argument. We can argue for any old shit we want if possible futures are accepted as solid arguments. After all, the particular possible future will never be tested so we can make up any old crap we want and nobody can logically prove a negative.

Anyway,much subsequent evidence suggests the most probable possible future was a japanese surrender. They just needed to wait a little longer.

Also, funny, no apologists seem to ever wonder why could they not have dropped the bomb on an uninhabited area first as a warning?

And some people say that what really made the japanese surrender was actually the entry of russia into the war and not the bomb on hiroshima.

IMHO, the fact is, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes perpetrated unnecessarily on civilians purely for political and ideological reasons.by sociopathic leaders.

But feel free to swallow the apologist propaganda whole if you like. You certainly won't be alone. And While you are at it I have a nice piece of swampland you might be interested in. Bad things keep happening often because good people are dumb enough to keep swallowing huge lies. One should always be wary of swallowing!!

by NYT S6-Fr.Carl Kabat Imprisoned Tue Sep 08, 2009 09:52

Sept  6, 2009
New York Times Sept. 6th.

As Battlefields Shift, Old Warrior for Peace Pursues the Same Enemy
By DAN FROSCH

GREELEY, Colo. — It had been nearly 30 years since the Rev. Carl Kabat
and a group of peace activists, including his fellow Catholic priests
Daniel and Philip Berrigan, barged into a General Electric weapons
plant outside Philadelphia. Known as the Plowshares Eight, they
battered missile nose cones with hammers in an effort to disable some
of the world’s most fearsome weapons, and sprinkled blood on
classified documents to protest the cold war, before they were arrested.

Article continued on this link...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/07/us/07activist.html?_r...=eta1

Solidarity Mail to Fr Carl Kabat must have return address on outside...... How to
send Jail Support $ ....

Carl's mailing address:
Fr. Carl Kabat OMI
Weld County Jail
2110 O Street
Greeley, CO 80631
U.S.A.

by MilitaryLogic Tue Sep 08, 2009 21:53

"After the horrific casualties at the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, it was clear to American planners and strategists that a full scale invasion of the Japanese home islands would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of American dead and millions of Japanese military and civilian dead prolonging the war into 1946 or even 1947.
Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki bought the war to a brutal and swift end killing tens of thousands of people immediately but brought the misery of war to an end for tens of millions who would almost certainly died had the war continued."

ok.I love this particular line of argument. In essence, you kill lots of people now to reduce the number of potential deaths and suffering people in the future based on a reasonable extrapolation from the data.

If this is acceptable human behaviour, then lets knock ourselves out here shall we? Here's what we can do:

drop a large bunch of nukes on ethiopians, ( or your other WMD of choice )

rationale:
there are periodic famines there. If we kill the current population as it stands and then declare it a no go zone then we will be preventing generations of starvation, suffering and death there for the cost of just one horrible act, thereby reducing the ultimate number of deaths in ethiopia from starvation. Killing them all now reduces the total number of deaths that would otherwise accrue in ethiopia from starvation and drought (probably by quite a lot).

Whaddya think folks? And this could be just the beginning of our use of this rationale for the greater good.

In fact, carrying it to it's logical conclusion, since all humans die, many unpleasantly and in pain, if we snuff out all human life on the planet right now then think of the number of potential deaths we will prevent in the long run. Billions and billions of deaths will be prevented ( not to mention the suffering we will short circuit ) if we just kill everyone now. Its a small price relatively speaking and hopefully their nuclear deaths will be quick and painless and humane ( don't you just love that word? )

In fact why aren't we doing this right now......oh wait!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclea...apons

by HiroshimaMonAmour Fri Sep 11, 2009 06:54

Inside Hanford's B Reactor :
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank09102009.html

The plutonium used in the bomb was fashioned in the Hanford B reactor and the columbia river has paid a high price.

He rubbishes the decision to drop the bomb, pretty much in agreement with what "feudal castrato" was saying

by Court hearing Sun Dec 20, 2009 15:02 U.S.A.

Greeley Tribune, Sunday, Dec.20, 2009
In God's name: Father Carl Kabat has spent a lifetime protesting
nuclear weapons and doesn't plan to stop

Five months in Weld County Jail is starting to wear thin on Father
Carl Kabat's normally patient and jovial demeanor.

He misses the outdoors, the freedom to move around, which at 76 is
getting harder to do anyway.

With the potential for another several months under lock and key, the
longtime Catholic priest and member of the Oblates of Mary Immaculate
Order shrugs in his orange jail jumpsuit and smiles. He lives one day
at a time.

Whatever the price, Kabat stays strong in his resolve against an issue
that was more prominent during the Cold War, but which has been pushed
to the backburners of political and social discourse today — he wants
these nuclear weapons, the Minuteman III missiles buried in the ground
throughout the Midwest, gone. Some of those missiles are in northeast
Weld County; he's spent a lifetime protesting those weapons and was
promptly getting thrown in jail for it.

He chuckles at the question: “Why?”

Article continued.......
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20091220/NEWS/912...=1001

by warpigs Sun Dec 20, 2009 16:07

There aren't political gulags inside the US. They just shove you in with the murderers and rapists in a "normal" prison instead. Much better!
Father Kabat has only done what any brave and sane person following their conscience would inevitably have to do.
Why are good people like Fr. Kabat and Jeff Leurs imprisoned in America while most of the bankers, kissinger, and cheney walk free and profit?
Mad mad world!

Happy xmas Fr. Kabat. our thoughts will be with you.

by out & about Fri Dec 25, 2009 16:57 Colorado, USA

Fr. Carl Kabat found guilty - sentenced to time served

December 23, 2009
Greeley Tribune

"Protesting priest guilty, free, defiant"

Sharon Dunn

Link to the story:

http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/200991223