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category national | elections / politics | opinion/analysis author Tuesday November 23, 2010 10:37author by Colm o Connor Report this post to the editors

Politics in this country has been made muddy by decades of civil war divisions, clientilism and corruption. As a result the political discourse required for significant social change is constricted. Now is an opportunity to change the Irish political landscape forever, for all progressive groups to demand that FF disband. Here are my Top 10 reasons. I'm sure there are more.

10. FF TDs unanimously elected Brian Cowen Taoiseach.
9. FFs existence fuels muddy civil war politics which prevents mature political discourse.
8. They can not be trusted with our natural resources e.g. Giving Shell the Corrib Gas Field.
7. They are most associated with gombeenism and clientilism.
6. They have destroyed our neutrality e.g Shannon warport.
5. They are most associated with corruption in various tribunals.
4. Devs constitution made Ireland into a de facto theocracy, from which we are still emerging.
3. They are anti-democratic e.g. Nice and Lisbon re-runs, preventing by elections, gutting the freedom of information laws, equality authority etc.
2. They bankrupted the state.
1. Their aims re. The irish language and 'republicanism' are now redundant.

author by Mike Novackpublication date Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

On the matter of whether FF should disband I have no intention to express an opinion.

But NONE of the "reasons" you have given would be reaasons for a political party to disband. They are reasons expressing an opinion that this party and the voters who support it are inimical to YOUR political interests. They are reasons for you to oppose this political party. That's all.

Valid reasons for arguing that a political party should disband are along the lines "it has failed to convince more than a miniscule percentage of voters to vote for it" (and this situation is not improving over time -- OK to start small and continue if showing signs of growth/progress).

author by Colm o connorpublication date Tue Nov 23, 2010 22:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi Mike

You are correct to define my thoughts as opinion. This is why I placed them in the 'opinion and analysis' section.

To suggest that I was simply criticising FF as they act against my interests is to misread what I said. Their actions debase politics regardless of ones political beliefs. The 10 reasons (some were rushed due to a character limit) are a list of charges. I would be happy to discuss the import of any or all if you'd like.

author by Mike Novackpublication date Wed Nov 24, 2010 01:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Their actions debase politics regardless of ones political beliefs"

I was under the impresion that for whatever foolish and misguided reason a rather large number of Irish voters support this party. Presumably under the belief, however mistaken, that this party represents the things that THEY want. That reasons of these voters are misguided and their beliefs mistaken is your opinion. That's the down side of democracy, isn't it, that wrong thinking people get to vote just like us right thinking folks.

author by Sceptic - None Whatsoever publication date Wed Nov 24, 2010 03:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sure there are more than 10 good reasons to oust the FF Crowd . Here's Number 11 ( with or without bolied rice )

Nobody ever mentions the corruption that is ongoing within Family Law Courts where Fathers of Families usually end up
with NOTHING...

Please Log on to www.Rate-your-solicitor.com , and Click Wicklow ,

Men of Ireland ... Do so while your'e still single .

author by Colm o connorpublication date Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You assume too much mike. I never said that FF voters were misguided or mistaken. They are your words. Neither, did I say that they act against my personal interests.

FF do attract a mixed bag of support, from people associated with the building industry, to young people who have grown up knowing only FF led governments, to old people whose family got their first council house from FF in the 30s or 50s. Nepotism also plays a large part.

The FF core vote has declined in recent elections however and is set to collapse further in the coming election.

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